Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is more then one issue with the current plex mechanics but lets just look at alts for a quick sec...

Yes Please. Move the alt hoards to mining = cheaper ships, lower impact on warzone control.

The problem isn't the alts, the problem is the amount of impact they have for the skills/time/effort/risk they have to take. I would love to see alts in orca's flying all over low sec mining (or at least trying to).

Actually, (and that is a mis-quote of my original statement) the fact is that game mechanics can be exploited infinitely more systematically and successfully than government systems in RL. So comparing this argument to government is moot. If game Devs have to change the mechanics frequently to avoid exploitation, then they are clearly missing a *core* imbalance and simply attempting to resolve issues on the surface instead of the underlying ones. A game is a competitive environment, and my original statement simply meant that to avoid the most competitive edge for the sake of remaining a balanced player is a naïve suggestion.

Ffs, move it back. There are no valid ideas here, nor is there such a discussion in the OP. Stop moving popular threads out of GD because you *think* it belongs here. This is a discussion thread and not a features & ideas thread.

Too wordy. Brevity is the soul of wit, man. Can we have a tl;dr?

It's not even mass spawning alts. It's that mass spawned alts can be used to do it, to the point of being more time and training efficient than using an actual skilled character. You never get any better or more efficient at orbiting a button than you are on day one out of the CC. I can sign up 30 accounts today; I cannot take them and go run an Incursion with ISBoxer. What I can do is enlist a third of them in FW and start my own agricultural co-op that churns out isk faster than pretty much anything else in the game. Even the startup for miners is more demanding.

Transmaritanus has brought up an issue for GD. In short, it is parasitism.

Eve is a complex dynamic system. Within such systems, we will always find various forms of Parasitism.
It is to be expected. As such, it must be continually addressed.

There are two ways in which parasites can be handled.
One is for the entities within the system to adapt and fight the parasites on their own.
This can be compared to biological systems arms races.
We have been doing this for quite some time.
I have multiple stab + cloak kills on my board too.

However, the issue has reached a tipping point where we can go no longer handle the parasites in the form and numbers that they have reached on our own.

We therefore must resort to the second form of handling the parasites.
We must have CCP make changes to the system's inherent flaws.
Through the course of the discussion, we have pretty well established that they do exist and what they are.

Ideas have been brought forth, and apparently the thread was moved to F&ID.

So here they are, CCP:
1)Timer Rollback or Reset - This idea has been fairly well hashed out.
The overwhelming consensus among the non-parasites is that this will work well, and is in theme with the entire concept of FW. Do it.
You keep what you kill. --Chronicles of Riddick

2)The Cloaking Issue- Idea: Have the platform or beacon target the person attempting to capture the plex, give it a targetting range 2x the distance of the capture range.
Perhaps another idea would be to increase the prereqs for cloak usage or adjust the mechanics in some creative way to keep them from cloaking within the capture range, or from cloaking if they have left the capture range within a certain amount of time. Perhaps something like a pos' force field?

I have to ask: Is cloaking really an issue at the core of the parasitism? I'm going to vacillate on this one. I hate that they are used in the way that they are. However, I must concede that many use them with Stealth Bombers. If we take cloaking away from people inside our FW Plexes, we must also take them away from Mission Running Stealth Bombers. You know who you are.
Imho, this issue gets a pass. For now.

3)Warp Core Stabilizers- Ideas: make the plex dead space act much like a warp bubble, the only way out is a warp gate.
Someone mentioned HICs. Seth Darkness, iirc. Perhaps you are not familiar with low sec. I will let the others bash you for your ignorance of our ways. That said, another idea would be to bring back warp bubbles and interdiction spheres to low sec! (yea, right. that's going to happen)

4)System Upgrades should affect the passive defenses of the plex in some fashion. We are throwing LP at the system core. it ought to be able to afford a few extra ships to help defend the plex and make it harder for poorly fit people to take them. Increase the risk.

5)Plexes are now more numerous. Limit the number of available plexes of a single size to one, that way they can not just pop another of the same size and run between them. Keeping the numbers up is a good thing, making all of them available at once is not. There have been times when this has gone beyond annoying. This will also help force more fights.

6)Concord Status: Neutrals and non-flashy Pirates. Idea: Activation of the entry warp gate requires safety set to yellow and automatically set non-FW pilots suspect when activated. We should not be penalized for defending our territory!
Reasoning: There are numerous groups within FW that are Anti-Pirate. The problem is that we must adjust our RoE while defending/attacking a plex and dealing with people that are not a part of FW.

7)D-Plexing Farmers: No ready solution has yet been presented that I am aware of. These would most likely harken back to the cloaking and stabbing issues and ideas presented earlier. This would mean that NOBODY should be able to cloak within the capture range of a plex + prohibition distance.

PS: I have to give props to the following people: Benny Ohu, Steve Ronuken, Domanique Altares, and even Transmaritus himself.

PSS: I would like to think that I speak for the majority of the non-parasitic FW community when I say that we enjoy our fights.

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Bump.

Really? I love the isk you can make from plex farming like everyone else.....

But should orbitting around some stupid little structure with no risk be so profitable?

I find this all quite comical. We have a few people here complaining about not being able to kill some guy running a plex, in Faction Warfare. It is quite clear from some of the replies, many of you have never run FW plexes, they are not always the easy income you suggest in a solo situation. You not only have to look out for enemy militia but are a target for anyone who enters the system.
Because a FW member (generally solo in the plex) chooses to run from a gang trying to kill him who are actually not a part of FW but in fact only there for pvp (and like the op, looking for easy kills that might stand a chance of escaping).
Yes FW is meant to generate pvp but when a FW player doing what he signed up for, Capturing and upgrading systems by capturing plex's, decides to run away from a gang of neuts trying to kill him , not as part of FW (they can't capture the plex or contribute to FW at all because they do not belong to a militia) but simply because he is there and they have the right to kill him.

Now if you want more FW pvp and not just ganking rights in FW space, join a militia.

There is a simple way to fix some of the problems with FW and increase plex pvp.
Reduce LP payouts slightly.
Make it so that only members of a militia can engage an enemy militia member in plexes.
Change the mechanic so that once you enter a plex you can't warp out until it completes (or you lose your ship).
If it is a novice plex only 1 enemy militia can enter to try and take it from the person trying to capture it. If it is a small, 2 enemy militia may enter to kill and capture the plex but both (if they survive) must remain in the plex to complete it. A medium would allow up to 3 to enter. A large is unlimited, that way those running large plexes also face the greatest risk.
Have rollbacks for timers, if a person in a plex is engaged the timer actually counts backwards while the fight is going on, the winner of the fight picks up the remainder of the timer to complete the plex. EG; player A enters novice plex with 10 min timer, after 7 mins player B from opposing militia enters and engages player A for control of the plex, the fight last 2 mins 30 ses, leaving 4 min 30sec remaining on the timer, the winner of the fight then only has 5 min 30 sec to complete the capture.
This might actually encourage more to join FW but probably not because many only want kills and FW is their chosen easy killzone.

The non militia pvper's are free to hunt and fight whoever they choose outside plexes, after all it is lowsec but plex's would be there there for militia members only.