Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because if his assertions about what the problem is, what its effects are, and his suggested fixes aren't ripped to pieces and the true motivations revealed then people may actually start to believe the myths and lies

I think he is just too worried I might be right.

Now my question would be: How do you think that POS even got to be in that system at that specific Moon? Was it that a Cov-Ops fleet went out and reconnoitered locations, systems, traffic flow etc? Sitting perched above star gates logging traffic reports for hours\possibly days while cloaked and not AFK except to the outside world they might have appeared to be AFK as according to some people someone is AFK cloaked when they, the "hunter", are flying to every celestial and D-Scanning and never finding a ship and thus that person MUST BE, ABSOLUTELY MUST BE AFK CLOAKED!

Could it be that these pilots are actually better than you, that they might have been cloaked and just observing thus denying you the information on their ship type\location and not AFK but oh so very active feeding intel to their channels?

So with the limit on cloaks you have to stagger your recon patrols, have less people in more areas to achieve exactly the same thing but with the possibility of setting up a logistics chain for those that "overstay" on their perches? And with that this limits who can deploy POS's as small Corps who can't afford all that fuel won't deploy POS's to "check out" owning one or have a Forward Operating Base.

Now let's assume that 6-VDT intelligence operations were restricted on cloaks...6 hours I think it raged for with Stealth Bombers being active in some of the first waves. Say those bombers had been in system for 1hrs 55mins of their "2 hour timer" on cloak ans as they prepare their bombing run they all start to de-cloak. Now the enemy knows they are there...the show on D-Scan, they're visible if on-grid. Or if they are off-grid and de-cloak to re-cloak and get another 2 hours "on the clock" anyone d-scanning (read that as everyone!) will see that bombers are in the system.

Several examples of how time restricting a cloaking device breaks the sandbox. Again I say, adapt, improvise and overcome and if you aren't prepared to defend yourself and what you have then you deserve to be killed and have everything taken from you.

It's as simple as that.

Say you want a ship to be hidden in a system for a long period while some sort of op is prepared. You just jump in with it and log off. Isn't that what capital pilots do?

So you effectively want to force more people to log-off? What sort of crazy notion is that! Doesn't this fly in the face of your "I want more activity not less" statement some pages ago?

Why should I log-off because I'm in a fleet that's forming up and we're Cov-Ops specialists with Co-Ops specialist fits and ships?

But his argument is that he is not AFK, but your timer/fuel thing makes it harder on the active pilots.

You feel that when a cloaked ship is cloaked it should use cap to the point where it is 1 tick above recharge. Is that with or without a MWD? If it is without then with a MWD it will drain the cap dry and the player will drop cloak even if they are active but are not watching their cap carefully, and even if they are they have to drop cloak to recharge their cap. This suggestion is just horrible.

Having thought about it and having set up a number of POS, no...no more risk involved. You know why? I use my alt who flies a crane. Very little risk at all. Jettison tower for corp. Anchor, scoot away and cloak. Wait for tower to anchor, scoot back in, drop in some fuel for the tower, online it and again scoot away and cloak up. When tower is online, bring in the rest of the fuel and mods sitting safely inside the towers force field setting things up. Heck you can do the same in a regular industrial with a prototype cloaking device.

Bingo. I've waited and waited and waited on titans ready to bridge. Somewhere there are cloaked pilots watching stuff, reporting on enemy form up, location, fleet comp. As that intel comes in, plans are changed. Time ticks by, tick-tock-tick-tock. All the while cloaked and active players are doing stuff. So, how does CCP tell if that guy sitting near the enemy POS reporting on the hostiles forming on their own titan is AFK or not? Why should he be penalized for doing exactly what you claim you want? Being active?

This is sadly true.

The nature of propaganda, is that any lie repeated often enough to those lacking other information, tends to take root.

Marketing works in similar fashion, as repeating a name brand often enough creates familiarity with it, and results in that brand being chosen over others as a result.

The greatest flaw and asset to human logic is that it can adapt, and adaptation requires a constant presence.
If rational thinking answers a question, then you adapt to the truth.
If you have no means of knowing a topic, then you adapt to whatever sounds good that you hear most often.

Propagandists and marketers know this, so they repeat what they want you to believe as often as they can.

Where does that POS came from? Did you built it in the system? Is your crane protected by allies while you're jumping through systems or you're going though hostile territory? You're hauling only the tower or all the modules too? How many trips does that make?
You see, all that trouble for setting it up and it doesn't matter if the pilot at the tower is afk a whole day or not because everyone in the system who cares about it is still aware of what ship he is using, where he is and what he is doing with it.