EVE General Discussion

Great point

Result would be that goons might go bust because no-one would be a renter to such a wonderful, trustworthy and upright organisation that the goons are .... gosh - must go and vomit

Probably much better to be a N3 renter, they'll leave whole alliances to die if your sov gets disbanded or people invade you and your defense is worthless. Stuff like that.

They put up the collateral silly. You only have to set aside the reward and the tiny fees. Couriers are extremely cheap. If you can't price in the courier cost and still make a killing in the market, you are doing something extremely wrong.

This time thing you keeping going on about... My best friendly advice I can give you, and this applies in life as well, is to work smarter not harder. People that want to punch a timeclock in the game do things like mining in the purest example. Ratting is not much better. Now if you want to minimize time spent while maximizing isk, you have to think smarter than the average player and stop thinking so much about isk per hour.

Based on everything you have said so far (which of course means there's lots I don't know about you,) my suggestion is to trade the market. Now before you start mentioning .01'ing, I'll just nip that right in the bud. Stay away from that crap. The casual trader absolutely must stay away from high volume investments such as minerals and most ammo.

I trade off and on- I'm probably the most casual laid back player you will run into. Sure there are days where I'm logged in all day. There's also weeks I don't think about the game. It's a game- I'm here for fun, just like any other game. It's not a job.

Anyway, I suggest that you focus on trading more or less how I do. Look for items that have consistent but not crazy volume- and not too many orders. These items also must have wide spreads between the bid and ask (or as eve traders like to say buy and sell prices-a term that is a pet peeve of mine and unique to eve not the real world.) Just station trade. Forget about moving stuff around. Don't worry about pricing in other regions. Spread your isk among items and check the charts to make sure they are not being manipulated.

You will not have to babysit your orders because the competition isn't babysitting theirs. Now, my specific advice will be different based on your isk balance and other factors but I don't know any of that for you.

If you are serious about wanting to make isk without treating Eve as a job, contact me in game and we can discuss in more detail.

edit* I see you added some posts while I was typing. The goons are not so bad. I am confident that the rental thing will work out fine for renters mainly because it was posted on themittani.com. Regardless of what anyone thinks, there's not a chance in hell that site's growth will be risked by an internet spaceship scam. That being said, you can also rent from NC. The difference between Goons and NC. is that Goons just want to have fun and they play a role within the game. While I have some friends in NC, most are actually just pricks in general and take the game way too seriously. But forget those groups even- there are others out there. But based on your comments, I'm assuming renting is out of the question yourself unless you join a corp currently renting. and paying the cost.

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EVE actively promotes itself as a game for sociopaths, so of course it will attract plenty of them. And sociopaths like to make people cry.

Simple as that, really.

Mr Epeen

You made it about you all by yourself with all the tears and anger. I spent my time freely trying to help you, further offering to help you in game. Your response? Being a jerk. LOL

As far as your remaining issues trying to understand why people like Mittens, join Goons, or rent from Goons- it's not that hard to figure out. I'll help you out on these.

Mittens: People like him because he's funny and smart. You might disagree with the humor, but whatever.

Goons: People join Goons for the same reasons people join other corps- a bunch of friends to hang out with while playing the game, plus all sorts of benefits you don't find in many other corps/alliances/coalitions. If you think Goons are terrible people, you are taking things way too literally in this game. Some of the nicest people I know in game are Goons. Many are directors. Many have happy loving families- they login to have fun, then logoff to do real life stuff. Meanwhile, there are these angry highsec miners who spend all day making isk so that they can fund another account to train up to make more isk, all the while ignoring their families. Seriously who is the scarier person?

Renting from Goons: As I have pointed out in many threads, they will be similar to rent from as any other. Anyone who thinks otherwise is truly brainwashed. There is no way at all that Goons would use www.themittani.com to start a scam. That site is too important to risk on space money.

I would just like to point out that I have been a casual player for over a year and I am not completely helpless like OP makes us (casual players) out to be

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Worse yet, apparently GSF was paying for the plexes that the writers get paid with. Hilarious, but it seemed no one really cared when it was brought up in the audit thread.

That's right, it doesn't make space money, it eats it.