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Per Audeles
The Abyss Watchers
The Charter
#1 - 2013-07-23 21:08:55 UTC
It's been a while since I've used the Test Server, but the last time I remember there were all the faction, deadspace and officer mods on the market and there doesn't seem to be anything anymore. How can you base a ship you want to test on T2 stuff, when you might use faction, deadspace etc... and if there is the slight chance of a mod being on the market, it has been put on by a player for ridiculous BILLIONS! P

Is there any chance of making all these mods available again?

It's hardly 'testing' if you can't use EXACTLY what you want to try out.
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#2 - 2013-07-23 21:15:10 UTC
I would type a ridiculously long message about how the mods would be abused and whatnot and how it made SiSi a terrible place... but... I'll just skip to the punchline.

Not Going to Happen, Quit Asking, Seeding Faction/Deadspace/Officer is a bad idea.
Per Audeles
The Abyss Watchers
The Charter
#3 - 2013-07-23 21:40:31 UTC
Kora Ethereal wrote:
I would type a ridiculously long message about how the mods would be abused and whatnot and how it made SiSi a terrible place... but... I'll just skip to the punchline.

Not Going to Happen, Quit Asking, Seeding Faction/Deadspace/Officer is a bad idea.



Abused how...? I mean, it's not like it cost you that much to replace. There is barely the amount of people on SiSi compared to Tranq. This is your opinion of course, doesn't mean everyone agrees with it. I for one don't. So what if a few people fill ships with officer mods, who cares. If it interrupts your testing, go somewhere else..
I may have the wrong idea here, with what you consider 'abusing', so forgive me if I am off.
Mei Ling Cobon-Han
Prosperity Industrial
#4 - 2013-07-24 12:06:51 UTC
I already posted something about this, friend Big smile Got a few people trying to help get them back, but the end result was pretty much a no. Even a Dev. stepped in an said something. I commend you for trying, though
theelusiveyoda
Death Troopers
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#5 - 2013-07-24 12:35:43 UTC
Per Audeles wrote:
It's been a while since I've used the Test Server, but the last time I remember there were all the faction, deadspace and officer mods on the market and there doesn't seem to be anything anymore. How can you base a ship you want to test on T2 stuff, when you might use faction, deadspace etc... and if there is the slight chance of a mod being on the market, it has been put on by a player for ridiculous BILLIONS! P

Is there any chance of making all these mods available again?

It's hardly 'testing' if you can't use EXACTLY what you want to try out.


Because the amount of isk a mod sells for on sisi is a problem?
There have been several threads on this topic already i suggest you go read some of them and the replies ccp has made to them, instead of creating another thread asking to have everything given to you.

Also stop being poor and just buy it on tq and wait for the mirror.
Per Audeles
The Abyss Watchers
The Charter
#6 - 2013-07-25 00:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Per Audeles
theelusiveyoda wrote:
Per Audeles wrote:
It's been a while since I've used the Test Server, but the last time I remember there were all the faction, deadspace and officer mods on the market and there doesn't seem to be anything anymore. How can you base a ship you want to test on T2 stuff, when you might use faction, deadspace etc... and if there is the slight chance of a mod being on the market, it has been put on by a player for ridiculous BILLIONS! P

Is there any chance of making all these mods available again?

It's hardly 'testing' if you can't use EXACTLY what you want to try out.


Because the amount of isk a mod sells for on sisi is a problem?
There have been several threads on this topic already i suggest you go read some of them and the replies ccp has made to them, instead of creating another thread asking to have everything given to you.

Also stop being poor and just buy it on tq and wait for the mirror.



Woah, woah, woah.. I am not DEMANDING anything. I am simply asking out of curiosity.. Also not everyone can afford specific mods, but it is nice to be able to test them for future reference.

So many people in this game are miserable..
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#7 - 2013-07-25 12:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kora Ethereal
Per Audeles wrote:
theelusiveyoda wrote:
Per Audeles wrote:
It's been a while since I've used the Test Server, but the last time I remember there were all the faction, deadspace and officer mods on the market and there doesn't seem to be anything anymore. How can you base a ship you want to test on T2 stuff, when you might use faction, deadspace etc... and if there is the slight chance of a mod being on the market, it has been put on by a player for ridiculous BILLIONS! P

Is there any chance of making all these mods available again?

It's hardly 'testing' if you can't use EXACTLY what you want to try out.


Because the amount of isk a mod sells for on sisi is a problem?
There have been several threads on this topic already i suggest you go read some of them and the replies ccp has made to them, instead of creating another thread asking to have everything given to you.

Also stop being poor and just buy it on tq and wait for the mirror.



Woah, woah, woah.. I am not DEMANDING anything. I am simply asking out of curiosity.. Also not everyone can afford specific mods, but it is nice to be able to test them for future reference.

So many people in this game are miserable..


None of us are miserable, we just know the consequences of seeding officer/dead-space/faction mods. CCP and ISD BH also know the consequences. They have stated time and time again that they WILL NOT seed it. We also might be responding a bit hostile to your initial post because you're probably the x^2 person to ask about seeding these. The answer has always been NO, and will probably remain that way for ETERNITY.

Also when I said abused, I meant is. Nobody needs these mods to test fittings (etc) that is what EFT is for. SiSi is not EFT and never will be. The only real use for these mods (if seeded in mass) would be to troll others. Testing Fittings for TQ isn't and should never be a valid reason to ask for these mods or other unseeded things. As stated (By CCP) time and time again Singularity is in no way to ever effect Tranquillity. Meaning, things done on this server should be for legitimate testing, or using things that you can't use on TQ yet (As reward for helping out in MassTests). I will admit, there are plenty of us that spend a decent time on this server, we enjoy using things and planning out training and whatnot for TQ by seeing how our reward SP plays out.

~~~~~~~~~~

To be quite frank, Faction Mods don't seem to be broken, therefore should require NO testing.

AND if you really want them, go farm em, nothing is stopping you (literally nothing, because if you leave the combat system the rules dictate NO AGGRESSION ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THE COMBAT SYSTEMS) from going out in a Carrier or whatever you please, and grinding for Mods, yes it may be slow but that's your only option aside from buying them with SiSi ISK (42 bil for a loaf of bread). And I'll say, I've bought some of the mods put up for sale on SiSi and I can tell you, It's not hard at all.


LAST BUT NOT LEAST

We didn't call you names, but you insist on calling us miserable.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#8 - 2013-08-13 13:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Kora Ethereal wrote:
Per Audeles wrote:
theelusiveyoda wrote:
Per Audeles wrote:
It's been a while since I've used the Test Server, but the last time I remember there were all the faction, deadspace and officer mods on the market and there doesn't seem to be anything anymore. How can you base a ship you want to test on T2 stuff, when you might use faction, deadspace etc... and if there is the slight chance of a mod being on the market, it has been put on by a player for ridiculous BILLIONS! P

Is there any chance of making all these mods available again?

It's hardly 'testing' if you can't use EXACTLY what you want to try out.


Because the amount of isk a mod sells for on sisi is a problem?
There have been several threads on this topic already i suggest you go read some of them and the replies ccp has made to them, instead of creating another thread asking to have everything given to you.

Also stop being poor and just buy it on tq and wait for the mirror.



Woah, woah, woah.. I am not DEMANDING anything. I am simply asking out of curiosity.. Also not everyone can afford specific mods, but it is nice to be able to test them for future reference.

So many people in this game are miserable..


None of us are miserable, we just know the consequences of seeding officer/dead-space/faction mods. CCP and ISD BH also know the consequences. They have stated time and time again that they WILL NOT seed it. We also might be responding a bit hostile to your initial post because you're probably the x^2 person to ask about seeding these. The answer has always been NO, and will probably remain that way for ETERNITY.

Also when I said abused, I meant is. Nobody needs these mods to test fittings (etc) that is what EFT is for. SiSi is not EFT and never will be. The only real use for these mods (if seeded in mass) would be to troll others. Testing Fittings for TQ isn't and should never be a valid reason to ask for these mods or other unseeded things. As stated (By CCP) time and time again Singularity is in no way to ever effect Tranquillity. Meaning, things done on this server should be for legitimate testing, or using things that you can't use on TQ yet (As reward for helping out in MassTests). I will admit, there are plenty of us that spend a decent time on this server, we enjoy using things and planning out training and whatnot for TQ by seeing how our reward SP plays out.

~~~~~~~~~~

To be quite frank, Faction Mods don't seem to be broken, therefore should require NO testing.

AND if you really want them, go farm em, nothing is stopping you (literally nothing, because if you leave the combat system the rules dictate NO AGGRESSION ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THE COMBAT SYSTEMS) from going out in a Carrier or whatever you please, and grinding for Mods, yes it may be slow but that's your only option aside from buying them with SiSi ISK (42 bil for a loaf of bread). And I'll say, I've bought some of the mods put up for sale on SiSi and I can tell you, It's not hard at all.


LAST BUT NOT LEAST

We didn't call you names, but you insist on calling us miserable.

and this is exactly why we end up with broken officier / deadspace mods on TQ, because they cannot be tested on sisi


and regarding the NO AGGRESSION ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THE COMBAT SYSTEMS, it is not enforced so.....

and the issue is not even the money, it's that they are not available at all for some, and when i do test (including mass test) i don't have 5 hours to go farm for the mods i want to test.

other issue, i do own several faction ships, but i cannot test them on SISI because mirror is too old (and yes, i understand that mirrors cannot be don every monday), thus i cannot test it, because there are simply not such ship on the market (vindi, nghtmares etc....).
and if it was so crucial to not have them, then why the machariel is seeded then?

for me, sisi is just a joke, i do test on it since i play eve, and almost every time, CCP ignores feedback anyway, and not everything can be tested.

oh and FYI, prior for the last winter expansion test, the officier and deadspace mods WERE seeded(when test were done on buck and sisi was dust dedicated), the were removed when dust joined TQ and sisi returned to test for eve
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#9 - 2013-08-13 14:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kora Ethereal
seth Hendar wrote:
Kora Ethereal wrote:
Per Audeles wrote:
theelusiveyoda wrote:
Per Audeles wrote:
It's been a while since I've used the Test Server, but the last time I remember there were all the faction, deadspace and officer mods on the market and there doesn't seem to be anything anymore. How can you base a ship you want to test on T2 stuff, when you might use faction, deadspace etc... and if there is the slight chance of a mod being on the market, it has been put on by a player for ridiculous BILLIONS! P

Is there any chance of making all these mods available again?

It's hardly 'testing' if you can't use EXACTLY what you want to try out.


Because the amount of isk a mod sells for on sisi is a problem?
There have been several threads on this topic already i suggest you go read some of them and the replies ccp has made to them, instead of creating another thread asking to have everything given to you.

Also stop being poor and just buy it on tq and wait for the mirror.



Woah, woah, woah.. I am not DEMANDING anything. I am simply asking out of curiosity.. Also not everyone can afford specific mods, but it is nice to be able to test them for future reference.

So many people in this game are miserable..


None of us are miserable, we just know the consequences of seeding officer/dead-space/faction mods. CCP and ISD BH also know the consequences. They have stated time and time again that they WILL NOT seed it. We also might be responding a bit hostile to your initial post because you're probably the x^2 person to ask about seeding these. The answer has always been NO, and will probably remain that way for ETERNITY.

Also when I said abused, I meant is. Nobody needs these mods to test fittings (etc) that is what EFT is for. SiSi is not EFT and never will be. The only real use for these mods (if seeded in mass) would be to troll others. Testing Fittings for TQ isn't and should never be a valid reason to ask for these mods or other unseeded things. As stated (By CCP) time and time again Singularity is in no way to ever effect Tranquillity. Meaning, things done on this server should be for legitimate testing, or using things that you can't use on TQ yet (As reward for helping out in MassTests). I will admit, there are plenty of us that spend a decent time on this server, we enjoy using things and planning out training and whatnot for TQ by seeing how our reward SP plays out.

~~~~~~~~~~

To be quite frank, Faction Mods don't seem to be broken, therefore should require NO testing.

AND if you really want them, go farm em, nothing is stopping you (literally nothing, because if you leave the combat system the rules dictate NO AGGRESSION ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THE COMBAT SYSTEMS) from going out in a Carrier or whatever you please, and grinding for Mods, yes it may be slow but that's your only option aside from buying them with SiSi ISK (42 bil for a loaf of bread). And I'll say, I've bought some of the mods put up for sale on SiSi and I can tell you, It's not hard at all.


LAST BUT NOT LEAST

We didn't call you names, but you insist on calling us miserable.

and this is exactly why we end up with broken officier / deadspace mods on TQ, because they cannot be tested on sisi


and regarding the NO AGGRESSION ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THE COMBAT SYSTEMS, it is not enforced so.....

and the issue is not even the money, it's that they are not available at all for some, and when i do test (including mass test) i don't have 5 hours to go farm for the mods i want to test.

other issue, i do own several faction ships, but i cannot test them on SISI because mirror is too old (and yes, i understand that mirrors cannot be don every monday), thus i cannot test it, because there are simply not such ship on the market (vindi, nghtmares etc....).
and if it was so crucial to not have them, then why the machariel is seeded then?

for me, sisi is just a joke, i do test on it since i play eve, and almost every time, CCP ignores feedback anyway, and not everything can be tested.

oh and FYI, prior for the last winter expansion test, the officier and deadspace mods WERE seeded(when test were done on buck and sisi was dust dedicated), the were removed when dust joined TQ and sisi returned to test for eve


1. Due to the new update, you are correct, These do now need to be tested :D
Mods listed inAffected by this thread should hopefully get seeded, Thread

2. Agression outside of the combat system resulting in losses of SP or stuff not seeded is usually given a fair amount of attention.

3. I thought Faction ships were seeded, along with ammo, just not Modules. Did I even mention faction ships? :/

4. SiSi is a very very funny joke :D

5. The past is not the present, Just because World War II broke out doesn't lay just cause for WWIII to break out. (By your logic.)

But, An update is upon us, I'd love to see how some of the new buffs and nerfs work out on EVERYTHING, bar none a lot was changed, Hopefully a Mass-test is upon us too.
Romana Erebus
The Dikembe Mutombo Shotblocking Team
#10 - 2013-08-13 15:55:51 UTC
Ok, this is a terrible idea. So incredibly terrible. Last time this was done it was a sheer disaster. 2 thumbs down Roll
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#11 - 2013-08-13 17:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kora Ethereal
Romana Erebus wrote:
Ok, this is a terrible idea. So incredibly terrible. Last time this was done it was a sheer disaster. 2 thumbs down Roll

Ofcourse it's terrible, but a few of the mods have changed :/

It would really suck to have dropped some isk on a mod that after 1.1 accidentally nerfs your shields or de-repairs your ship.
JetCord
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-08-15 01:37:01 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Kora Ethereal wrote:
Per Audeles wrote:
theelusiveyoda wrote:
Per Audeles wrote:
It's been a while since I've used the Test Server, but the last time I remember there were all the faction, deadspace and officer mods on the market and there doesn't seem to be anything anymore. How can you base a ship you want to test on T2 stuff, when you might use faction, deadspace etc... and if there is the slight chance of a mod being on the market, it has been put on by a player for ridiculous BILLIONS! P

Is there any chance of making all these mods available again?

It's hardly 'testing' if you can't use EXACTLY what you want to try out.


Because the amount of isk a mod sells for on sisi is a problem?
There have been several threads on this topic already i suggest you go read some of them and the replies ccp has made to them, instead of creating another thread asking to have everything given to you.

Also stop being poor and just buy it on tq and wait for the mirror.



Woah, woah, woah.. I am not DEMANDING anything. I am simply asking out of curiosity.. Also not everyone can afford specific mods, but it is nice to be able to test them for future reference.

So many people in this game are miserable..


None of us are miserable, we just know the consequences of seeding officer/dead-space/faction mods. CCP and ISD BH also know the consequences. They have stated time and time again that they WILL NOT seed it. We also might be responding a bit hostile to your initial post because you're probably the x^2 person to ask about seeding these. The answer has always been NO, and will probably remain that way for ETERNITY.

Also when I said abused, I meant is. Nobody needs these mods to test fittings (etc) that is what EFT is for. SiSi is not EFT and never will be. The only real use for these mods (if seeded in mass) would be to troll others. Testing Fittings for TQ isn't and should never be a valid reason to ask for these mods or other unseeded things. As stated (By CCP) time and time again Singularity is in no way to ever effect Tranquillity. Meaning, things done on this server should be for legitimate testing, or using things that you can't use on TQ yet (As reward for helping out in MassTests). I will admit, there are plenty of us that spend a decent time on this server, we enjoy using things and planning out training and whatnot for TQ by seeing how our reward SP plays out.

~~~~~~~~~~

To be quite frank, Faction Mods don't seem to be broken, therefore should require NO testing.

AND if you really want them, go farm em, nothing is stopping you (literally nothing, because if you leave the combat system the rules dictate NO AGGRESSION ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THE COMBAT SYSTEMS) from going out in a Carrier or whatever you please, and grinding for Mods, yes it may be slow but that's your only option aside from buying them with SiSi ISK (42 bil for a loaf of bread). And I'll say, I've bought some of the mods put up for sale on SiSi and I can tell you, It's not hard at all.


LAST BUT NOT LEAST

We didn't call you names, but you insist on calling us miserable.

and this is exactly why we end up with broken officier / deadspace mods on TQ, because they cannot be tested on sisi


and regarding the NO AGGRESSION ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THE COMBAT SYSTEMS, it is not enforced so.....

and the issue is not even the money, it's that they are not available at all for some, and when i do test (including mass test) i don't have 5 hours to go farm for the mods i want to test.

other issue, i do own several faction ships, but i cannot test them on SISI because mirror is too old (and yes, i understand that mirrors cannot be don every monday), thus i cannot test it, because there are simply not such ship on the market (vindi, nghtmares etc....).
and if it was so crucial to not have them, then why the machariel is seeded then?

for me, sisi is just a joke, i do test on it since i play eve, and almost every time, CCP ignores feedback anyway, and not everything can be tested.

oh and FYI, prior for the last winter expansion test, the officer and deadspace mods WERE seeded(when test were done on buck and sisi was dust dedicated), the were removed when dust joined TQ and sisi returned to test for eve


in regard for this i do agree that we need the armor/shield repper faction/officer and deadspace to be included in this mirror of sis since we are testing them

we can removed them later like last time when 1.1 going live in TQ



Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
#13 - 2013-08-18 10:26:52 UTC
Last time they seeded all faction/officer/dead-space mods a bunch of people just flew ridiculously over pimped ships and killed people they otherwise wouldn't have been able to kill, it was interfering with people trying to do actual balance testing and so CCP took them away. This is also why Super Capitals aren't seeded, too many people abused them and it was interfering with people trying to do actual testing plus creating too much extra work for the volunteer bug hunters who help out on SiSi

This is why we can't have nice things

All of that said, it would be nice if CCP handed out limited numbers of faction mods as rewards for people who help with testing so that those who are regularly using SiSi to help squash bugs or do balance testing can also help test faction mods
Vorpheus
Three Sword Inc
#14 - 2013-08-18 13:53:51 UTC
i see no reason why there is NO faction+ stuff seeded, its a TEST server, not a real server, nothing matters there beside testing stuff. If you live on SiSi more then on TQ, you not even have a evelife.
Loki Asuran
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-08-18 15:40:15 UTC
It's bad enough as it is with the carriers, dreads and titan camps going on let alone giving them access to dead space/officer mods. No reason for them at all.
Jonny Copper
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#16 - 2013-08-18 16:09:28 UTC
Vorpheus wrote:
i see no reason why there is NO faction+ stuff seeded, its a TEST server, not a real server, nothing matters there beside testing stuff. If you live on SiSi more then on TQ, you not even have a evelife.


As said before, It cripples people that come on to actually test.
Also faction/dead/officer mods dont need rebalancing and therefore dont need to be interacted with all that much.