EVE General Discussion

I'm pretty sure when technology makes it possible to fly manually with newtonian physics in a 2000vs2000 battle CCP will upgrade the game were we can still fly huge ships with commands and spreadsheets and small ships with controls on the same grid. Until then comparison is unnecessary with upcoming titles as long as they can't deliver huge battles with no number limits and the level of metagaming what eve has.

X Rebirth looks absolutely promising as a single player game and this will be one of the games I will play while sitting on a titan () but it wouldn't work as an MMo with the scale what eve can deliver. It would lagg the hell out and it would be absolutely unplayable.

On the other hand I don't understand why CCP haven't tried implementing dogfights with some kind of instanced system where we can see some kind of dogfight effect on the grid when fighters are engaging while they actually fight in an instance separated from the main grid's server. I think something like that would be possible to implement. I really hope EVR won't be an individual game and CCP will try to integrate it into EVE somehow.

It would be good for new players too. They could have fun with dogfights while they are limited by low SP.

That battle involved only 10% of the players online at the moment. Don't you wonder what were doing the other 90%?



EVE and X-Rebirth can get along... but I can only play 1 such game at a time, and I don't give a flying frag of nullsec. Neither did the other 40,000 players online during 6V. You can praise as much as you want the top who makes headlines, but that "elite" wouldn't exist without the foundation of people who mostly stay in hisec and mostly don't meddle into "core" gameplay if they can avoid to.

As I said, X-Rebirth aims at the foundation of the EVE playerbase, the wide majority of hiseccers who are in it for the complexity and the challenge and don't care about nullsec and its limited endgame content.

Quoted for truth. Monocles and other things are all good but should be built in game by players, and ideally should have some implant-like effect on your clone rather than a cheap vanity related attempt to milk the cash cow.

im not advocating to leaving the spreadsheets in space for star citizen combat, the reason is simple, after almost a century and countless millions spent on R&D, we still haven't come up with a better way to present information other than tables. so in that regard EVE is perfect, moving to any other type of gameplay will leave any EVE player feeling lost and wondering why in the future, in a combat situation, where awareness is the difference between life and death. information is presented as clumped up icons floating in space instead of in an organized way in a table.

and yes, its a single player game, X always has been. but my point is X has a "wow" factor EVE lost 7 years ago. I've met dozes of newbies on CAS whom I've helped to set up POSes, because they were determined to have it. the result? they were completely underwhelmed.

if it doesn't affect anyone else in the game, and gives you valuable things to shoot at, why not letting the newbies play "space fort" with a bunch of POS modules? it is by far the main draw of lowsec. mining your own moon, even if you barely break even at the end of the month is the game many want to play. because that's what a space game is about, and in those regards eve is extremely limited.

i would argue that the combat aspect of eve is great, compared to anything else. even games like the X series have a crap combat system where all you do is shoot and hope the target dies first. eve is much more complicated, with doctrines, counters, lots of cheese strategies, and whole lot of metagame. even something silly like offlining a plate can make a cruiser orbit an attack battlecruiser close enough to nullify dps. can you make that tactical decision on star citizen? no you can't.

but when it comes to industry, exploration, or just plain science fiction, the game is severely lacking. totally dated, and worst of all, boring. (missions anyone?)

so long as POSes are nothing but factory and research slots in space, no one will be drawn to them. and my thread is in response to a fairly polemic DEV blog a year ago, saying taht updating the POS system was a waste or resources, because it was too hard.

we are playing a game where in the last five years not one addition has been made that changed not just a module, a % bonus on a ship, but the way the game works. the reason is simple, the back end is a mess of hacks and patches that everyone is scared to mess with, and that tangled up mess wont get any easier to disentangle as time goes by.

if CCP doesn't feel they have the "political capital" to pull it off, then we as players have to show that we are willing to make sacrifices to see development time invested in updating it.

in mot saying it will kill eve, i'm saying eve should draw ideas from it. eve isn't going anywhere.

That doesn't mean it can't still be good, though.

I mean, let's be realistic here:

EVE-O itself is basically a pastiche of a great many old, old sci-fi tropes, but that doesn't prevent it from still being great.

Say what? In what way is the X-series gameplay “deep”?

X tries to simulate all that what we have in eve - complex environment - in single player. It will be one man's sandbox. Feel lonely already?

Now try answering it without the sarcastic strawman, maybe?

How does the X series “have gameplay depth that Eve can only wish for”?

Ok. If you say so.
You haven't played it, I take it?