Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are conveniently overlooking people with many hauling/industry/mining and combat alts not forgetting OGB alts in the mix as well.

Every alt in the game degrades the value of your play time by bloating the game with SP that shouldn't really exist. Newbies aren't worth a crap to many players and are mocked and scorned actively by many because they can contribute so little. What these people forget is that without the plague of alts this game suffers, each newbie would have a much higher value especially if they are interested in pursuing other avenues of the game yourself is not prepared to touch.

I don't do industry myself but by looking at it there must be just about as many SP to sink in science & industry as there is in combat skills. Were it not for alts farming the PVE side of the game I might have considered going in to S&I worthwhile instead of an uphill fight against characters that by all rights shouldn't even exist.

Had dual character training been allowed from the start and multiple accounts outright banned this game would have been better off and you certainly wouldn't see 120-150mil t1 battleships.

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You just completely scrapped one of most crucial parts of EvE gameplay: time. Instant gratification is bad for games as you'll get bored of them quickly and will search for other ways to amuse yourself. Spending time on your character, slowly savoring different aspects of game, is one of EvE's main charms and selling points.

How about the other way around, destroy your SP in exchange for getting PLEX equivalent to training that SP on fastest possible remap.

i think this is a great idea once a month and only once a month you can pay 1 plex per account and this plex lets you gain sp over a period of about 30 days if you don't use this feature then i think you should also not be able to log into the game

I'll agree, under the following conditions.

1. 1 Plex buys you 1 months worth of SP at your lowest attribute configuration.
2. To apply the SP, requires you to pause your current training.
3. You must chose which skills you are applying the SP to, before you start the process.
4. It takes a full month to apply the new SP and at no point can you resume the normal training queue.

I do not want to argue with anyone by no means, but that words i can read in any dictionary. May i ask for some reason(s) why buying SP for PLEX (with some reasonable restrictions) is bad?

I am missing the connection between SP and "winning the game by paying". Why buying SP is considered "pay to win" while character bazaar is not? Why buying unlimited amounts of PLEX is not "pay to win"?

I play this game since recently and may be i can not see clearly some obvious facts.

I'll scrap it even more :)

1) difference between getting SP now instead of later (anyway giving PLEX) is like the difference between armor repairer and shield booster...

2) SP gratification is more like giving extra SP when separating Destroyer and BC skills to be racial. Although well reasoned by CCP it is nontheless gratification. PLEX costs ISK/real money.

So apparently i am not aware of what is "normal game play".

Thanks to all who answered my questions.

It doesn't matter anyway. Look at CCP business strategy over last 3 years.

Cosmetic shop. ISBoxing and botting implicitly allowed due to lack of incentive for intervention. PLEX price being manipulated by CCP to keep it at an 'acceptable' price. Massive inflation over the whole game, much of it unjustified. Encouraging the purchase of plex through encouraging the procurement of alts via discounts every month or so on PLEX package purchases. Now we have dual character training ie poor man's alt account.

Buying SP with PLEX is an inevitability because you functionally triple the PLEX purchased per toon. Will this drive prices down on PLEX on the market? It might. I doubt it as you'd see more PLEX purchased than ever from CCP with $ and then being burnt instantly on dual-character training and then boosting their SP by a given amount thanks to a further PLEX.

Bored nullsec veterans wanting to upskill their FW alts/mission alts/industry alts would be a big consumer. New players not wanting to be behind the bellcurve might buy 12 PLEX in one hit to give themselves a years headstart on the peasant whose morale compass forbids them from taking advantage of it, ergo dooming them to 2 years worth of waiting to do what they want for exactly the same cost.

Now you have players not just consuming PLEX for game time, they consume PLEX for their alts and consume even more PLEX for to gain SP.

CCP will end up in this place. Eventually. The embarassing DUST514 and WoD being practically forgotten since Incarna would have cost them dearly.