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Dietrich III
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-08-17 08:20:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dietrich III
Gonna have to bump this thread and ask our beloved CSM: is CCP actually doing anything about this? Myself and others are still stuck with a 600 mil 30km-long insecure, useless POS ornament.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#42 - 2013-08-17 11:23:54 UTC
Dietrich III wrote:
Gonna have to bump this thread and ask our beloved CSM: is CCP actually doing anything about this? Myself and others are still stuck with a 600 mil 30km-long insecure, useless POS ornament.


Here's an easy fix. .Shrink its size by 20 percent and give it just two anchor locations.

I'm somewhat amazed that this has been allowed for this long.

Yaay!!!!
Infinite Force
#43 - 2013-08-21 15:58:11 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Dietrich III wrote:
Gonna have to bump this thread and ask our beloved CSM: is CCP actually doing anything about this? Myself and others are still stuck with a 600 mil 30km-long insecure, useless POS ornament.


Here's an easy fix. .Shrink its size by 20 percent and give it just two anchor locations.

I'm somewhat amazed that this has been allowed for this long.

Personally, I'd say reduce the size by 50%.

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stup idity
#44 - 2013-08-21 16:01:46 UTC
I like em big and ugly... and not only them SMAs.

I am the Herald of all beings that are me.
James Arget
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#45 - 2013-08-21 19:51:25 UTC
Dietrich III wrote:
Gonna have to bump this thread and ask our beloved CSM: is CCP actually doing anything about this? Myself and others are still stuck with a 600 mil 30km-long insecure, useless POS ornament.

The CSM is on the job. We're talking with CCP about it, which means discussing the scope of the functionality that exists as well as the best way to fix it.

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Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-08-22 18:08:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vassal Zeren
James Arget wrote:
Dietrich III wrote:
Gonna have to bump this thread and ask our beloved CSM: is CCP actually doing anything about this? Myself and others are still stuck with a 600 mil 30km-long insecure, useless POS ornament.

The CSM is on the job. We're talking with CCP about it, which means discussing the scope of the functionality that exists as well as the best way to fix it.


I'm impressed with your ability to turn ordinary, meaningful English words into political gibberish.

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
Infinite Force
#47 - 2013-08-22 22:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinite Force
Vassal Zeren wrote:
James Arget wrote:
Dietrich III wrote:
Gonna have to bump this thread and ask our beloved CSM: is CCP actually doing anything about this? Myself and others are still stuck with a 600 mil 30km-long insecure, useless POS ornament.

The CSM is on the job. We're talking with CCP about it, which means discussing the scope of the functionality that exists as well as the best way to fix it.


I'm impressed with your ability to turn ordinary, meaningful English words into political gibberish.

Agreed.

1. Open database in edit mode
2. Find X-Large SMA line
3. Change "scaling" factor by .5
4. Save changes
5. Push into next SiSi update.
6. Include in 1.1

10 minutes.

edit: 1 - 4 are just an over simplificaton of how a database change is actually done, so you real DBA's out there, don't get into a tizzy about it.

HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud

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James Arget
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#48 - 2013-08-23 05:24:23 UTC
Vassal Zeren wrote:
James Arget wrote:
Dietrich III wrote:
Gonna have to bump this thread and ask our beloved CSM: is CCP actually doing anything about this? Myself and others are still stuck with a 600 mil 30km-long insecure, useless POS ornament.

The CSM is on the job. We're talking with CCP about it, which means discussing the scope of the functionality that exists as well as the best way to fix it.


I'm impressed with your ability to turn ordinary, meaningful English words into political gibberish.
I'm guessing you're okay with the first sentence, which just leaves the second sentence. Here's a bit of background to consider, the XLSMA is based on the CSMA, which has existed in game for years, with all the same behaviors. We're not talking about a bug fix, we're talking about doing some brand spanking new game design work. I think it's fair to say that when we're talking about game design you'd like it to take the time to make sure that it's going to fill the role needed, and also that it doesn't inadvertently **** over some other aspect of the game.

So, as I said we need to discuss the scope (what other stuff gets affected) of the functionality (how should this work?), as well as the best (not the most obvious, but the best) way to fix it (move it to a state where people don't make threads).

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Infinite Force
#49 - 2013-08-23 15:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinite Force
James Arget wrote:
Vassal Zeren wrote:
James Arget wrote:
Dietrich III wrote:
Gonna have to bump this thread and ask our beloved CSM: is CCP actually doing anything about this? Myself and others are still stuck with a 600 mil 30km-long insecure, useless POS ornament.

The CSM is on the job. We're talking with CCP about it, which means discussing the scope of the functionality that exists as well as the best way to fix it.


I'm impressed with your ability to turn ordinary, meaningful English words into political gibberish.
I'm guessing you're okay with the first sentence, which just leaves the second sentence. Here's a bit of background to consider, the XLSMA is based on the CSMA, which has existed in game for years, with all the same behaviors. We're not talking about a bug fix, we're talking about doing some brand spanking new game design work. I think it's fair to say that when we're talking about game design you'd like it to take the time to make sure that it's going to fill the role needed, and also that it doesn't inadvertently **** over some other aspect of the game.

So, as I said we need to discuss the scope (what other stuff gets affected) of the functionality (how should this work?), as well as the best (not the most obvious, but the best) way to fix it (move it to a state where people don't make threads).

I must disagree with you James.

The issue isn't with functionality -- the issue is with the SIZE.

All the devs did was change a few database entries in order to rename & allow the XLSMA (formerly the CSMA) to be anchored outside of sov null sec.

The SIZE issue can just as easily be corrected by tweaking a few numbers as well.

Changing the SIZE of this is not going to affect any "game play" other than general placement of the structure at a POS.



edit: i kan't spel correctly.

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QT McWhiskers
MultiPass Inc.
The 5th Seal
#50 - 2013-08-23 20:03:58 UTC
Ayeson for CSM
James Arget
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#51 - 2013-08-23 20:10:45 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:
Ayeson for CSM

Bring it on.

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http://csm8.org
Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-08-23 23:07:53 UTC
James Arget wrote:
QT McWhiskers wrote:
Ayeson for CSM

Bring it on.


So how do you respond to Ayerson's argument (to which I concur) that this is a trivial fix to an unforeseen exploit. Pos modules should not be accessible from outside the FF. That is clearly not intentional (the FF protects the people inside who own the stuff right?). It's not at all clear to me there is a "scope" to this issue. Thus when I saw your post it seemed as though you used a bunch of stereotypical jargon to basically say "we will think about doing something," while you hadn't in the first place stated what there was to think about. No one in this thread had or has given a counterpoint to changing the size of the xl sma, so if there are any they aren't readily apparent to anyone, except maybe you.

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#53 - 2013-08-24 03:18:25 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:

...can you shoot at it with the FF still up? If so, that's an *extremely* serious bug.


I never tried shooting it and its really hard to reproduce but I'd assume you can from the fact it was lockable - I've had so many random and bizarre bugs while having problems with sound (not sure if its just another symptom or cause) that its hard to know if its actually a problem with the POS code or a combination with some other bug.



On the downside I just found out EvE has sound. Way to ruin my day Rroff!

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity
James Arget
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#54 - 2013-08-24 03:24:02 UTC
Vassal Zeren wrote:
James Arget wrote:
QT McWhiskers wrote:
Ayeson for CSM

Bring it on.


So how do you respond to Ayerson's argument (to which I concur) that this is a trivial fix to an unforeseen exploit. Pos modules should not be accessible from outside the FF. That is clearly not intentional (the FF protects the people inside who own the stuff right?). It's not at all clear to me there is a "scope" to this issue. Thus when I saw your post it seemed as though you used a bunch of stereotypical jargon to basically say "we will think about doing something," while you hadn't in the first place stated what there was to think about. No one in this thread had or has given a counterpoint to changing the size of the xl sma, so if there are any they aren't readily apparent to anyone, except maybe you.

Which would make sense given that I'm the one with additional knowledge.Big smile

As Chitsa said to the tune of multiple "likes":
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Talked to the devs. CCP is aware of the issue and they are thinking about how to fix it.

So I'm trying to give a little additional info about why things may not be quite so clear as they appear. For instance, if we scale down the XLSMA, what point does it shrink around? What is the coordinate system like?

The CSM is on the job. We're working with CCP to get this worked in as part of the development cycle of EVE. I honestly can't say more than that.

CSM 8 Representative

http://csm8.org
Nero Pantera
ATRAX.
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2013-08-24 04:45:37 UTC
James Arget <3, that is all
Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-09-02 16:09:30 UTC
James Arget wrote:
Vassal Zeren wrote:
James Arget wrote:
QT McWhiskers wrote:
Ayeson for CSM

Bring it on.


So how do you respond to Ayerson's argument (to which I concur) that this is a trivial fix to an unforeseen exploit. Pos modules should not be accessible from outside the FF. That is clearly not intentional (the FF protects the people inside who own the stuff right?). It's not at all clear to me there is a "scope" to this issue. Thus when I saw your post it seemed as though you used a bunch of stereotypical jargon to basically say "we will think about doing something," while you hadn't in the first place stated what there was to think about. No one in this thread had or has given a counterpoint to changing the size of the xl sma, so if there are any they aren't readily apparent to anyone, except maybe you.

Which would make sense given that I'm the one with additional knowledge.Big smile

As Chitsa said to the tune of multiple "likes":
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Talked to the devs. CCP is aware of the issue and they are thinking about how to fix it.

So I'm trying to give a little additional info about why things may not be quite so clear as they appear. For instance, if we scale down the XLSMA, what point does it shrink around? What is the coordinate system like?

The CSM is on the job. We're working with CCP to get this worked in as part of the development cycle of EVE. I honestly can't say more than that.


That seems fair. Still not a fan of jargon. :)

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth
Touched by the Tism
#57 - 2013-09-02 18:10:09 UTC
How about SMAS actually drop ships instead....Shocked
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-09-03 13:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
nutmeg ... dont loose yourself ... before SMA's will drop Ships again we will have the following features.


- Walking in Station
- Destroyable Stargates
- Joining the Concord NPC-Corp
- Wormhole to Jove
- Class X Space with Sleeper Capitals
- Takmahl Incursions in Solitude
- Dust 514 for Android
- Removing of the Orca 100mn Microwarp Trick
- New Scanning Overhaul
- Re-Introducing Plexes that got lost by RMTs (FanFest 2012 anyone?)
- additional nodes for Wormholes and not this Retirement Home for Hamster Cluster


- and of course "Chitsa Space"

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
QT McWhiskers
MultiPass Inc.
The 5th Seal
#59 - 2013-09-04 20:40:25 UTC
Been three months since we discovered this issue and immediately closed ours down. Still no fix. Several people have said that the most simple of solutions would also be the easiest one, this is true. (I could take that model in an old 3ds max I have and set the scale to 95/100 and this would 100 percent solve the issue. As long as you reduce the real distance vs reported distance as well. )

I understand that things take time, but I mean seriously? You cant just take the model in whatever graphical programs you use set the scale to 95/100 and then update the database and roll it out so that instead of being like 2450ish away from this beast, we are now 3200 away at the closest of the edges?

And seeing as it was patch day yesterday and this wasnt in the patch notes... Am I to assume this wasnt fixed yesterday?
QT McWhiskers
MultiPass Inc.
The 5th Seal
#60 - 2013-10-31 05:43:39 UTC
Necro. AWMAGAWD.

So its been almost a year... CCP. What, if anything, is being done to fix this issue?