Warfare & Tactics

Btw excuse bad grammer and non kill posting ,i made this thrad from my phone cause i.m at work

I am not seeking validation .. well not really,i am just curious to know other pvp'ers reasponses ,what would u guys have done?knowing that this situation occurs frequently.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see the Vengeance as a hard counter to the Hawk. Sure, it would probably exploit the EM/Ex hole in your shields, but you're bonused to Kinetic (not the strongest resist for the Vengeance, either).

In more visible terms, it looks like you used an AF to gank a frig, but ran off when you were both of the same class of ship. Perhaps you should evaluate what it is, exactly, that you're living for another day to fight? If your goal is to score obvious ganks, then you're not really going to get a lot of props in local.

If you know he's got a counter to your fit and you will lose, it would be stupid to stay and fight. Handing out free kills isn't brave, it's stupid.

But AF vs AF, you really should've taken that fight.

EXACTLY!!! Since he fought me before obv he saw my fit (ewar , weapon choice) so he had even greater advantage..

Meh.

This whole conversation is going in the direction of philosophy and messy subjectivity. You should be doing whatever is most fun for you. You don't owe anyone in this game anything. Not a "good fight", fairness, or anything else. I would suggest that you avoid basing your decisions on what you think others will think of you.

If getting the first kill on the Merlin, then avoiding a fight to make sure you preserve your Hawk hull is the most fun for you, then that's what you should be doing.

If gambling your ship on a fight you're not relatively confident you will win is fun, then you should do that.

However, I still believe that asking other people how you should feel about yourself is a mistake. What you do in a video game, and how others react to it, should not define whether or not you view yourself as a coward.

You pay to play Eve (in $ if you subscribe, in time/effort if not). The only real question is whether you're getting your money's worth, and the only person who can answer that question is you.

You were not a coward per se. You just didn't have good experiences against a previous Vengeance and decided not to play the odds again (regardless of how they may or may not have been stacked).

Pretty much all fights are based on this way of thinking. Can I take him/her? What was the previous experience like? Do I have better skills/boosts/experience/odds in my favor that I didn't last time? Is my ship better equipped to take on the possible fits that the person might have? Can/Should I employ different tactics? etc.

However... the danger of using past experiences for reference is that you get stuck in "set" ways of doing things which restricts your adaptability and/or ability to objectively gauge a possible fight (i.e. you run away from fights/conflicts you could have won).
My personal solution to this is to get roaring drunk, undock in the ship you like most at that moment, and then fight any fight where the odds are "not too bad" (50:50... 60:40... 70:30... MAYBE 80:20... all not in your favor).

No but getting trolled so hard in local you came to make a post like this does.

One of the most important parts of pvp is being either a good troll or not falling for one, yep you were a skeredy cat who ran away but you're really shouldn't let someone get you so uptight you need to come to the forums for everyone else to tell you the same, just pretend you had a phone call in RL so had to leave.

That is called baiting. He's just trying to provoke you into a no win situation.

I believe the correct respone is to spam local with the killmail you got from killing his first ship.

You know, even if he had popped your ship and podded you, you would have lived to fight another day. We are immortals in this game...