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Best PvE Boat for L4 Gurista Missions
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Vartan Sarkisian
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#1 - 2013-08-16 11:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vartan Sarkisian
I will soon be doing level 4 Gurista Missions and I wonder what the best ship was to do them in?

I was killing Sansha so my Apoc was fine for that as the damage types matched and so I could breeze through the missions. But I understand that whilst against Gurista thermal damage (which lasers do) is an option the main damage to do against Gurista is Kinetic.

I used to do Level 4 in a Drake and they took forever so I am looking for a ship/weapon type that will do very good Kinetic damage so I can speed through the L4 missions, would it be better for a missile boat (Raven/Typhoon) or something with Hybrids like a Rokh, I imagine a Naga would be too "thin" on tank?

Any advice?
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-08-16 12:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
Missile boats and drone/hybrid boats rock. Pick from:
• mach
• cnr
• golem
• vargur
• kronos
• Dominix
• n-Dominix
• tengu (ham)
• rattlesnake
• f-typhoon
• typhoon
• raven
• Hyperion
• vindicator

Best would probably be mach or navy domi. I'm probably forgetting some viable ones.
Vartan Sarkisian
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#3 - 2013-08-16 12:31:51 UTC
Thanks, Ill have to check out which I can fly, no Rokh though? thats a hybrid boat, why does it not make your list Question
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#4 - 2013-08-16 12:32:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ExcalibursTemplar
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
I will soon be doing level 4 Gurista Missions and I wonder what the best ship was to do them in?

I was killing Sansha so my Apoc was fine for that as the damage types matched and so I could breeze through the missions. But I understand that whilst against Gurista thermal damage (which lasers do) is an option the main damage to do against Gurista is Kinetic.

I used to do Level 4 in a Drake and they took forever so I am looking for a ship/weapon type that will do very good Kinetic damage so I can speed through the L4 missions, would it be better for a missile boat (Raven/Typhoon) or something with Hybrids like a Rokh, I imagine a Naga would be too "thin" on tank?

Any advice?


The Apoc should be alright mate as long as you stick to running for Caldari agents as you need EM ammo more than anything.

NOTE: i did have a nice post explaining everything but the **** ingame web browser ******* ATE my post AGAIN.

EDIT: if you run for Caldari agents in the Forge.
Vartan Sarkisian
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#5 - 2013-08-16 12:37:38 UTC
the missions will be in The Citadel against Gurista's, according to https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Damage_types EM is not a good damage type to use against Gurista's.
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#6 - 2013-08-16 12:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ExcalibursTemplar
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
the missions will be in The Citadel against Gurista's, according to https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Damage_types EM is not a good damage type to use against Gurista's.


No your getting the wrong end of the stick the mission pool for caldari agents in the Forge will give you loads of drone and sansha mission. The gurista mission are best of being blitz as most of them are full of ECM which is annoying as fook.
Vartan Sarkisian
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#7 - 2013-08-16 12:44:35 UTC
ExcalibursTemplar wrote:
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
the missions will be in The Citadel against Gurista's, according to https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Damage_types EM is not a good damage type to use against Gurista's.


No your getting the wrong end of the stick the mission pool for caldari agents in the Forge will give you loads of drone and sansha mission. The gurista mission are best of being blitz as most of them are full of ECM which is annoying as ****.


Ahh OK, was unaware of that, thanks... If find some places in Forge.
Vartan Sarkisian
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#8 - 2013-08-16 12:50:15 UTC
looking on Dotlan in the forge and all the systems Ive checked says the local pirates are Gurista, where in the forge do you find Sansha pirates?
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#9 - 2013-08-16 13:04:30 UTC
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
looking on Dotlan in the forge and all the systems Ive checked says the local pirates are Gurista, where in the forge do you find Sansha pirates?



No, he's telling you that there are agents that will send you on missions against Sanshas and drones rather than Guristas, which is a different thing than what the local pirates are (what you'll find in belts and anoms.)

And he's right, high-level missions against Guristas are awful.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#10 - 2013-08-16 13:11:10 UTC
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
looking on Dotlan in the forge and all the systems Ive checked says the local pirates are Gurista, where in the forge do you find Sansha pirates?


The local area is Gurista but i seem to use far more EM +Thermal ammo for my RNI than i do kinetic.

I think there are

5 Gurista mission (kinetic)
3 drone missions (EM)
3 sansha (EM)
3 merc missions (Thermal)
1 angel mission (explosive)

The numbers might be of slightly but there seems to be far more mission were i dont need kinetic damage. The only missions that might be a bit tricky without kinetic are vengance (breaking boss npc tank) and dread pirate scarlet. Dread pirate scarlet isn't that bad though as iirc you only get pointing frigates in the last pocket so can always warp away. You can alpha the little cow in the second to last pocket so you don't even need to go in there.

The gurista assault and gurista extravaganza you want to blitz because of the ECM so that only leaves the gurista spy mission which you can do one group at a time and shouldn't be that hard to complete.

I'm just giving you another option fella as those mission boats the other guy posted would work great to but you can save yourself a bit of cash and start running mission now in your apoc if you want to.
hellcane
Never Back Down
#11 - 2013-08-16 13:18:33 UTC
The second post has a good list, however don't pick a marauder because of low sensor strength.
Vartan Sarkisian
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#12 - 2013-08-16 13:59:04 UTC
Thanks guys, I didn't realise that local pirtes meant the belt rats. ill take another look in Forge, although I did find some nice agents in Citadel I may check both out, ive not done missions in that part of space before.
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#13 - 2013-08-16 14:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ExcalibursTemplar
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
Thanks guys, I didn't realise that local pirtes meant the belt rats. ill take another look in Forge, although I did find some nice agents in Citadel I may check both out, ive not done missions in that part of space before.


Try Hyasyoda Corperation, Pokus mineral group, peace and order unit and Expert housing.

For your own sakes though do not i repeate DO NOT go anywhere near Osmon if you fly a blinged up ship.
Vartan Sarkisian
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#14 - 2013-08-16 14:28:38 UTC
Ship wont be blingy, thanks for the tips.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-08-16 18:26:38 UTC
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
Thanks, Ill have to check out which I can fly, no Rokh though? thats a hybrid boat, why does it not make your list Question


I listed the ships capable of highest projected DPS against gurista kinetic/thermal hole. Rokh doesn't reach the list in any dps setups blasters included. The extended list because of your current ship story in op led me to believe you are looking for good alternatives instead of the debatable best :)

As was pointed out, marauders get into issues with the ecm against guristas. The ecm is the reason to pick drone/hybrid boats with room for at least 4 sentries, as the drones continue to kill the jamming rats after you have once shot them and got jammed.

Navy Dominix would be my pick for this reason, or even a regular Dominix with guns of your choice. The plain old raven is pretty good nowadays after the cruise missile buff. The Golem is one of my all time favorites with halved cost of fury cruise missiles compared to cnr. Last but not least the machariel just rocks overall with the maneuverability and fast lock.

Bang for the buck, regular Dominix is very hard to beat in a microjump sentry setup. Gardes clock in at 800dps applied to 90km, practically immune to ecm due to both drones and range. I use a small group of 1400mm artillery to pop approaching frigates and cruisers.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#16 - 2013-08-16 19:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
My number one pick would be Rattler followed closely by standard Dominix.

With only one Angel Mission Mach would be a poor choice for the price.

If you fly Amarr, I made a 1KDPS missile/Drone fit (Armageddon I think?). I use Gist b Xlarge and dread guristas Invuln on my Mission boats which is expensive, this only had a centus c armor hardener and a couple amarr navy mission specific hardeners. I don't know if that will work for Guristas, lemme check...

[Armageddon, Armageddon fit]

Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Domination Stasis Webifier

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
E500 Prototype Energy Vampire
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Anti-Thermic Pump I


Garde II x5

all 5's no Implants...
92k ehp
509 tank
1054 DPS @ 45k

Half a bil or so, should be solid vs Guristas for sure.

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are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-08-16 19:48:10 UTC
Another useful ship for missioning in Caldari space is the Maelstrom - against the Guristas themselves, it'll active-tank like a boss, it can use 1400mm artillery shooting phased plasma to one-shot battlecruisers and two- or three-shot battleships, even at the extreme ranges at which Gurista missile rats like to stand off, and if EVE Survival warns that you'll be facing jammers, you can afford to set aside one mid-slot for a Ladar ECCM.

I've had instances where I'd lock up a battleship, alpha through its shields, then get jammed ... except that in the time it took my 1400's to cycle, the jam cycle ended and I reacquired lock just in time for the next salvo to put the rat into deep structure. Or maybe the second salvo was the kill-shot. It was one or the other, I'm pretty sure.

Anyway, there's very little that the Maelstrom can't handle, especially if you invest in a Guristas shield booster.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2013-08-16 19:55:34 UTC
Iv been grinding Standing in the fordge in a navy apocalypse for a while now and a t2 tank with a full set of tach's was working well for me...once I could fit the feckin things on anyway( took ages to train for)
A micro jump drive was also a lot of fun (go go gadget gtfo!)

I'd say ,if you like the apoc and are willing to continue the support training for one, get the navy one, Itl pay for itself before long.

Admittedly there are plenty of better choices for gurisras as most of the ships and fits above are but I'm having a ball in mine , struggles and all.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#19 - 2013-08-16 20:07:45 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
Another useful ship for missioning in Caldari space is the Maelstrom - against the Guristas themselves, it'll active-tank like a boss, it can use 1400mm artillery shooting phased plasma to one-shot battlecruisers and two- or three-shot battleships, even at the extreme ranges at which Gurista missile rats like to stand off, and if EVE Survival warns that you'll be facing jammers, you can afford to set aside one mid-slot for a Ladar ECCM.

I've had instances where I'd lock up a battleship, alpha through its shields, then get jammed ... except that in the time it took my 1400's to cycle, the jam cycle ended and I reacquired lock just in time for the next salvo to put the rat into deep structure. Or maybe the second salvo was the kill-shot. It was one or the other, I'm pretty sure.

Anyway, there's very little that the Maelstrom can't handle, especially if you invest in a Guristas shield booster.


This aint a bad boat either ^^.

I like drones as they don't get jammed but ever since they "fixxed ECCM" its nice against them too. I would fit a low and a mid on the Mael though, because it can.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#20 - 2013-08-17 04:07:40 UTC
mach = poor choice, but maelstrom ain't a bad boat, interesting opinion.

mach is pretty good in caldari space, high speed, high agility, and a butt load of deepz. pretty good short/long range with autos/arty. I would expect near top times for blitzing guristas extra. as for The Assault, I've never tried but it looks like it would work. probably just throw on a kinetic hardener and a sensor booster, of course take the blitz. it probably does vengeance alright, I usually use a kronos or vindy with not so much tank. and works fine in worlds collide, although that is mostly dealing with serpentis. that is about all for kinetic missions.

if you don't want to go pimp, then raven/domi/geddon/phoon are probably the best choices.

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