Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Also, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who does.

You know...while I don't support it, this is at least less stupid than most of the other ideas people have had about fixing afk cloaking : /

Why should I have to log off or even turn my computer off. Those are choices for me to make. The reason you want to make me do those things isnt some altruistic "save electricity" thing, it's because it removes uncertainty and risk for YOU.

And gosh, your reasoning keeps flying all over the place. How can you, in one post, say it's about increasing activity and then in another suggest more people turn the game off and shut down their computers? Your points are getting shredded, and you keep having to drastically switch lanes with every new post.

Admit what this is really, and so obviously, about: You want to remove uncertainty and risk for yourself.

We can have a more constructive discussion if you admit what it is really about and don't have to keep inventing new and contradictory cover stories

What is your question and please state what's the point of it other than rethorical flourish.

Just because afk cloaking is a marginal solution for mining bots it doesn't mean it's not a problem too.

This post:

"Every week there’s some new post in the forums about the evils of AFK cloaking in nullsec systems.

For some reason, having a cloaked ship in system, the pilot who may or may not be away from their computer, brings nullsec industry, ratting and missioning to a complete standstill.

I’m not quite sure why that is the case, but if the plethora of forum complaints is any indication, it is a problem. Apparently, nullsec players, renters in particular, are babbies.

The solution to this insidious problem is to either 1) tape a post-it note over your local chat window, 2) close your local chat window, or 3) uninstall EVE Online. If you don’t know who’s in system, then it can’t really be a bother. If you’re playing World of Warcraft, then it’s really not a problem.

How do wormhole people do anything, you might ask? At any point in time, their system could have twenty AFK cloakers watching (or not watching) their every move. Yet, somehow, through force of will perhaps, they manage to do ****. Run sleeper sites, mine, do industry. It’s kind of mind-boggling, when you think about it. That people could actually go about their business, without the benefit of knowing who’s watching them. Without knowing whether they could be jumped by some enemy fleet at any second.

Nullseccers, on the other hand, have the benefit of knowing when someone is potentially watching them, to know when to be a smidgin extra careful when doing their business. They have information that wormholers do not. Yet wormholers get **** down without local intel, whereas local intel sends nullbears scattering.

The nullsec player who stops doing what they’re doing just because some invisible ship is sitting in system, they should spend less time complaining, and more time feeling ashamed of themselves."

Source: Poetic Discourse: The “Problem” with AFK Cloaking

Not that I'm a fan of EVENews24 but they got that shizz right.

Again, this guy is only addressing the particular issues of nullsec PvE players vs. afk cloakers. Being cloaked afk is a problem in lowsec and affects other people than PvE players too. I said it before but you seem to be just ignoring that.

The point of removing afk cloaking is not to remove risk. The point is reducing the uncertainty threshold of the cloaked pilot being afk or not. Cloak should not be a mechanic for adding uncertainty about player activity. Cloak should add uncertainty of ship location.

And you will say: bleh, remove local. Yes, removing local would solve it. I do support removing local in nullsec, I don't support removing local in lowsec, hence the problem wouldn't be completely solved. Restraining cloak time would solve the problem BOTH in nullsec and lowsec. You can still remove local in null if you want, I'm not against it. In fact I think it would be quite cool. The thing is THIS IS NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.

The uncertainty is the risk so if you remove that then you remove the risk. Now if you nerf cloaks for "AFK Cloakers" (not that there is such a thing) then you also nerf it for Cov-Ops\Cloakers...it's one and the same mate...it's the Cloaking Mechanic\Ability.

Oh and Cloaking is used to to add uncertainty about ship, location, mission, objectives and fleet objectives or composition. Hence why they cloak and don't appear on D-Scan.

I highlight in your quote the part that is really relevant.

make a new thread about it