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Multiboxing softwares ruining pvp

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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#361 - 2013-08-11 11:32:53 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
the mouse driver can't control charachters


You literally have no clue what you are talking about. How in the world do you control your character, with telekinesis?

That should be the name of the next expansion.


Eh...
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#362 - 2013-08-11 17:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Solstice Project wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
the mouse driver can't control charachters


You literally have no clue what you are talking about. How in the world do you control your character, with telekinesis?

That should be the name of the next expansion.
*LOL*

Sorry, i really had to laugh about this post ...

As far as i know, the mouse still needs a human to control the character,
unless there's software within the mouse driver that does it for him, of course ... ^_^


Nobody can control the character with the mouse without software was the point. No driver = no play.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#363 - 2013-08-13 12:22:14 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
the mouse driver can't control charachters


You literally have no clue what you are talking about. How in the world do you control your character, with telekinesis?

That should be the name of the next expansion.
*LOL*

Sorry, i really had to laugh about this post ...

As far as i know, the mouse still needs a human to control the character,
unless there's software within the mouse driver that does it for him, of course ... ^_^


Nobody can control the character with the mouse without software was the point. No driver = no play.


That's true but this isn't the question.
Doddy
Excidium.
#364 - 2013-08-13 12:36:51 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Hi!

I know there are some topics about these softwares on the forums, but in those topics the player's problems was related to pve, as far as I saw.

My problem is related to pvp and multiboxing softwares.

Let me tell you an example:

I was trying to do a sansha 6/10 with my alt, but the guy who uses one of these softwares was on local, tried to probe me down a few times, and a bit later he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone.

Now tell me, what the hell can I do about that, with my main, and with my combat alt?? What if he brings more dps, or more guardians, because he can, he has like 15-20 accs, and he can control all at the same time.

On the other hand, I wouldn't care if a 10 man gang would steal the complex I'm doing, because they can, it can happen.



Before you start trolling:

I know this is crying and I should do the same, because CCP allows it, and I know I should quit eve and bla bla bla.

I don't care about all of this.

I'm plaiying EVE for almost 3 years now, for me EVE is about pvp (and for many other players), my priority is pvp, I don't care if someone can make money alone with 20 accs, or 50 accs, or 100 accs, I really don't give a damn.

But CCP, don't give someone a huge advantage by allowing him to control a full fleet of combat ships with a few clicks, because IT IS RUINING THE GAME.

And really, don't tell me to do the same. What if I don't have the hardware for this, or I don't have the money to buy the hardware? Will I be discriminated?

And of course I know, I should take it as it was a gang of players, not one player... But it was one player.


I know you want to kill solo, and small gang pvp, but come on... Should I have to organise a 50 man gang to kill 1 guy???

And I know CCP, you allow multiboxing softwares, because more multiboxers = more accounts = more money for you. This is how most companies think, but hey... I think you should think it twice what worth more...


Tell me more about this software that lets you run guardians and vigilants with the same commands......

Anyone can run 4 accounts without any software at all, they will just make more mistakes.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#365 - 2013-08-13 18:20:50 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Pubbies don't bother to check if someone has already made a thread on the topic. The thread is a great example.


Checked it, but didn't find one.


No you didn't, otherwise you would have found these.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2775818#post2775818
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3209327#post3209327
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3013295#post3013295
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2925031#post2925031
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2747248#post2747248
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2742086#post2742086



All of those links are locked threads.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#366 - 2013-08-13 18:23:56 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
StinkRay wrote:
Multi boxing is fun. Do you not like fun?


Ofc I like fun, but I more like the excitement of being solo or dualboxing, all alone without any software help.


You can't play EVE without software.


You are right sir, i meant without a 3rd party software.


Explained it multiple times;

Windows is 3rd party software.
Your mouse driver is 3rd party software.
Your video driver is 3rd party software.
All software on your PC that is not in the CCP folder is 3rd party. Eve will not run without it, period.

What you want, specifically, is for people to not play eve with more than 2 accounts because that is the number you have, and you don't want them to use software that duplicates input.

The reason you don't just spell it out is because it sounds like a silly request when you do.



That's terrible. Go home, you are drunk.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#367 - 2013-08-13 18:26:13 UTC
Chalithra Lathar wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:

Btw:

- Windows can't control charachters
- the mouse driver can't control charachters
- the video driver can't control charachters
- no other "3rd party" softwares can control charachters, except the multiboxing softwares

Pls stop bitchin' about this, it's annoying, and what you are saying is ridiculous.


All your bitching is quite irrelevant. Whatever anyone says about "3rd Party Software" is irrelevant.

CCP has stated that key and mouse broadcasting to multiple clients is fine, therefore it is in no way cheating or in violation of any TOU, TOS, EULA, or any other crock you can come up with or delude yourself with.



Careful, they also said they reserve the right to remove that right as well.

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#368 - 2013-08-14 09:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
how can the use of isboxer cannot be called exploit is beyond me.

just check those 2 corps, all the account in those two are owned and played by the same guy:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=294727

http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=319484

yes, he does fly more than 30 ships at once

while i'm ok with multiboxing, this is getting ridiculous, managing 2 dps ships and 2 remote is ok, difficult (and kudos to those who are able to pvp with this), managing 10+ account at once is exploit, cause without isboxers (or simiar softwares), it wouldn't be possible at all (at least for pvp)

on our side, we already know some "groups" doing it, solution will be simple: each kill they do will be petitionned by all our pilots, 300+ petition / kill will maybe draw CCP attention on this
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#369 - 2013-08-14 09:47:08 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:


yes, he does fly more than 30 ships at once



Is ISBoxer such a nice tool that it can be fun multiboxing 30 ships? or does it have to be considered as actual work?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#370 - 2013-08-14 10:49:20 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:

on our side, we already know some "groups" doing it, solution will be simple: each kill they do will be petitionned by all our pilots, 300+ petition / kill will maybe draw CCP attention on this


300 is all you'll get buddy!! cause I'm multiboxing the other 499,700

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#371 - 2013-08-14 10:54:07 UTC
embrel wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:


yes, he does fly more than 30 ships at once



Is ISBoxer such a nice tool that it can be fun multiboxing 30 ships? or does it have to be considered as actual work?


2 is fun, sometimes 3, but at 4 or more it seems like work to me. The multiboxing interface is pretty bad for anything serious like PvP ... I do wish it was built into the client, EVE would be so much better if people could run fleets and not dink around in single ships.

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#372 - 2013-08-14 11:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
embrel wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:


yes, he does fly more than 30 ships at once



Is ISBoxer such a nice tool that it can be fun multiboxing 30 ships? or does it have to be considered as actual work?

well, this is up to the person using it i guess.

but on hte case where the 2 fleets works together, it is in fact very close to fly 2 ships, the idea behind isboxer is to replicate one "master" in X slaves, so basically, you really fly one ship, and the X others do the very same things you do on the master, hence why they are all pest / nados, the fittings are the same, the window placement are the same etc....
the only little thing is to allow a slight delay between 2 "orders" to account for the delay for replication (provided the soft is stup correcly, wich is not THAT much of a dificulty tbh)

i think we should look at this from the impact on the game and other players point of view.

what seems to come up from that, is that allowing such program is unfair.

being killed by 15 nados, when they are actually controlled by 15 ppl is not unfair to me, but when those are controlled by one person only, with the help of a 3rd party software, it is unfair, cause another person, having the very same accounts, without said software, couldn't achieve the same things, thus a 3rd party software is giving and advantage to it's user, this is why it is unfair
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#373 - 2013-08-14 11:22:50 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

on our side, we already know some "groups" doing it, solution will be simple: each kill they do will be petitionned by all our pilots, 300+ petition / kill will maybe draw CCP attention on this


300 is all you'll get buddy!! cause I'm multiboxing the other 499,700

lol
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#374 - 2013-08-14 11:23:59 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
embrel wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:


yes, he does fly more than 30 ships at once



Is ISBoxer such a nice tool that it can be fun multiboxing 30 ships? or does it have to be considered as actual work?


2 is fun, sometimes 3, but at 4 or more it seems like work to me. The multiboxing interface is pretty bad for anything serious like PvP ... I do wish it was built into the client, EVE would be so much better if people could run fleets and not dink around in single ships.

not sure it would be good for the game, but at least, it would be fair
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#375 - 2013-08-15 19:21:00 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
embrel wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:


yes, he does fly more than 30 ships at once



Is ISBoxer such a nice tool that it can be fun multiboxing 30 ships? or does it have to be considered as actual work?

well, this is up to the person using it i guess.

but on hte case where the 2 fleets works together, it is in fact very close to fly 2 ships, the idea behind isboxer is to replicate one "master" in X slaves, so basically, you really fly one ship, and the X others do the very same things you do on the master, hence why they are all pest / nados, the fittings are the same, the window placement are the same etc....
the only little thing is to allow a slight delay between 2 "orders" to account for the delay for replication (provided the soft is stup correcly, wich is not THAT much of a dificulty tbh)

i think we should look at this from the impact on the game and other players point of view.

what seems to come up from that, is that allowing such program is unfair.

being killed by 15 nados, when they are actually controlled by 15 ppl is not unfair to me, but when those are controlled by one person only, with the help of a 3rd party software, it is unfair, cause another person, having the very same accounts, without said software, couldn't achieve the same things, thus a 3rd party software is giving and advantage to it's user, this is why it is unfair


Exactly
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#376 - 2013-08-15 22:12:40 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:


Now tell me, what the hell can I do about that...


Run to the forums and cry like a little girl with a skinned knee so we can all laugh at you?
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#377 - 2013-08-15 22:33:30 UTC
Sidekick discount on the main page says it won't be changing any time soon.

As a matter of fact, if I put my tinfoil hat on for a moment, I might think you were promoting it.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#378 - 2013-08-16 04:10:15 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

on our side, we already know some "groups" doing it, solution will be simple: each kill they do will be petitionned by all our pilots, 300+ petition / kill will maybe draw CCP attention on this

300 is all you'll get buddy!! cause I'm multiboxing the other 499,700

lol

Abusing the petition system huh. Well... ok then.

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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#379 - 2013-08-16 07:47:35 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:


Now tell me, what the hell can I do about that...


Run to the forums and cry like a little girl with a skinned knee so we can all laugh at you?


There is no crying buddy, I just shared my opinion.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#380 - 2013-08-16 07:48:12 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Sidekick discount on the main page says it won't be changing any time soon.

As a matter of fact, if I put my tinfoil hat on for a moment, I might think you were promoting it.


I would never do that.