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T2 deflation?

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-08-15 12:57:04 UTC
Looking across the range of items I tend to build (T2 modules mostly), I'm noticing margins thinning quite hard recently. Not sure if I arrived back in game during an unusual peak (Goons v Test), but some margins are so thin now I'm thinking something else is going on other than two sov blocks ending their war, i.e. a general price fall coupled with people running down existing stock. This could be recent moon goo + ore changes working themselves out over time I guess.

Anyone else have an opinions on this? I might get out for a few months.
Abidal Trekt
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-08-15 20:02:34 UTC
Tighter cashflows from Odyssey changes and tiericide leading to the proliferation of T1 fleet doctrines, reduced demand for T2 despite supply remaining constant.
Alenian
Killer Monkey Army
#3 - 2013-08-15 20:58:36 UTC
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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-08-16 09:20:54 UTC
Alenian wrote:
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I'm not sure it's that. A lot of people still want the best price and unless you've got a production chain from simple reactions right through to T2 modules you aren't going to get that anywhere other than at Jita (the trading volume optimises the price).
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-08-16 11:55:21 UTC
Abidal Trekt wrote:
Tighter cashflows from Odyssey changes and tiericide leading to the proliferation of T1 fleet doctrines, reduced demand for T2 despite supply remaining constant.


Nothing so complicated, really. I'd attribute it entirely to ripples in the market due to the Odyssey changes passing through unevenly, increasing build costs. They'll continue to rise, but not necessarily so fast that it'll prompt large adjustments in the market, so margins will be squeezed for awhile.


Of course, if the OP is buying T2 components from the market instead of building them, that would contribute too. Lol

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-08-16 11:58:03 UTC
mynnna wrote:

Of course, if the OP is buying T2 components from the market instead of building them, that would contribute too. Lol


Sometimes the OP buys, sometimes the OP builds. Depends on the item. I checked out one, for example, doing the process right through from simple reaction to final product and there was no profit in it (slight loss actually) over and above selling the original goo (taking everything into account, including the need for a POS to do the reactions). This is with invention and a standard -4 material modifier on the BPC.

Strange but true.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#7 - 2013-08-16 13:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
I buy components from sell orders and dump to buys, and havent noticed any razor thin margin tbh.

I buy components because...build time combined with a small difference between buy/build (in total value, not margin) means the lovely demon of opportunity cost raises its head

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-08-16 13:24:40 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
I buy components from sell orders and dump to buys, and havent noticed any razor thin margin tbh


Same here. In fact, I've noticed not only lower sell costs, but also lower build costs resulting in wider margins on a lot of items.
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#9 - 2013-08-16 21:07:07 UTC
I blame the change in cost of decrytors.

Though other forces should cause price increases (ice price increase ), the margins will remain thin. If you stockpile cheap moon mats and components now, the valued added through appreciation is adventagous if your capital base is large enough compared to your production demand.