Wormholes

I don't think there's too much wrong with W-Space at the moment. There's a few little things that have been mentioned already that'd be nice though. Having said that, there are things that could be done to make W-Space more interesting. The one I've had in my mind for a while is changing up the anomaly spawning style. I'll call this Sleeper Awakening.

The sleepers are awakening and without proper attention given by Capsuleers, threaten to overrun whole W-Space systems.

All Combat Anomalies (CA) only last 72h.
All CA spawn initially as C1 CA's.
Every DT, the system checks over what CA's exist in the system, if two of the same level of CA's exist and they are both older than 24h, they despawn and are replaced with a CA of a level higher.

Example:
System has 3 C2 level CA.
Two are older than 24h.
At DT, the two +24h CA's are removed.
A C3 level CA is spawned.
The system now has a C2 CA and a C3 CA.

CA's only grow up to the level of the WH, so C4's only grow up to C4 level CA's.
When a max level CA despawns after 72h, it adds to a Sleeper Awakening Bar. This'd be the same bar as used for FW and incursions.
When the bar becomes 3/4 filled, the system becomes "Awakened"
An Awakened system no longer spawns new anomalies but current anomalies do still add to it.
Awakened systems spawn roving packs of Awakened Sleepers anywhere there's Capsuleer interference with the system.

Examples.
Mobile Bubbles lost on a long forgotten grid.
POS's and POS Modules
Customs Offices
As random extra rats in CA's
Opened Ore/Gas Sites
Wormholes
That reaper you left out in the middle of nowhere

Awakened Sleepers are as the normal ones, except they do not drop/salvage the good sleeper loot.
Potential new Sleeper types could be added here, including maybe Capital Sleepers?
Every Awakened Sleeper killed reduces the Awakening Bar's level down slightly, to a 10-1 ratio of Awakened Sleepers to Max CA's despawned.
When the Awakening Bar is reduced to Zero, the system is no longer Awakened and goes into a 72h stasis where no CA's are spawned. All remaining CA's around at this point also disappear.

Benefits.
Clears out old junk in systems.
Requires people to actually live and exist in their system, no more massive production systems that only have a single guy once a week in them.
Choose your own farming level. Just want to live in W-Space but don't want to deal with PVE, cut the sites down at C1 level and forget about it. Want the best the system has to offer, let the Sleepers build up.
Ability to harm other entities via PVE. Don't like those guys making all that Isk. PVE their farms down.
Not gonna come out of your POS to PVP, fine I'm PVE'ing your Isk supply down!
More a constant PVE effort than a stockpile of sites and do 30 in an evening. Means more ships out in space more often and increases the chances of PVP.
PVE to help PVP. Camp out in a system and prevent the locals doing sites then join in with the sleepers in burning the place to the ground.
Something for people to do when the rest of the corp isn't online. The higher class you go the less you can do solo. Gives smaller/solo people the chance to exist in higher class WH's.

Downside.
I went on holiday and now all my stuff is gone. Thanks Sleepers! Though this can happen now anyway....
PVE in general isn't the most interesting thing in Eve, not that this is W-Space specific.
Other things I'm sure I'll get told about in comments later...

That's a really interesting way to clean up junk, but I'm not sure that removing junk is a good thing. On more than one occasion everyone in WH space has happenned across bonus stuff as a direct result of some else's poor planning or bad luck, and that random space junk does, I think, a lot more for the charm and exploratory quality of Wspace than harsh PvE stacking would.

Also, a system like this one actively discourages exploration, and encourages people to build sites to critical mass an then clear them, which is the exact opposite of what you're trying to achieve. Nobody is going to do the low anoms, they'll just monitor the low anoms and whine about how long it takes the anoms to "upgrade to something that isn't trash" rather than stay active in the system. You're then forcing people to monitor anoms in their home system, Forcing them to do them in a scheduled manner to prevent being overrun by sleeper incursions, and discouraging them from rolling holes and getting away from their camps because there's never anything of value in those new holes except for the same sites they can just "upgrade" to in their home.

While I can safely assume you are meaning 'blank canvas' in terms of player versus player content, it remains to be said (other than my previous post) anything about the actual canon and lore behind the Sleepers, Talocan, Wormholes and what have you.

Many of the PvP considerations of stagnation in wormholes mirror my own thoughts about the w-space lore, which i'm afraid most people don't care much about as long as they get their isk from heaven. However, it still should be reiterated that any decision to revamp wormhole space presents an enormous opportunity to expand upon the nowhere that is the Wormhole Storyline. From my experience, most of the lore seekers like myself tended to be expecting something at the end of the search or even a context to place facts we have learned about W-Space.

I will not argue that creating content in lieu of hard facts and player grievances is superior or even a working alternative, instead I hope that it will be taken as a request that future content have lore closely intertwined and will not deviate or spiral into nothing as w-space has done. So to expand upon my earlier post, I hope that the W-Space and Sleeper lore will be re-examined and developed more with any addition to Wormholes and not be pushed to the wayside.

Respectfully, I totally disagree.

I love to PVP, I have PVP'ed my entire EVE career. I also love to just play EVE, shoot sleepers or shoot incursions etc.

Right now unless I have a huge axe to grind, am incredibly bored or just looking for SOMETHING to do invading another persons WH is just frankly boring.

There is little to no economic incentive to do so, which is one reason I enjoy EVE. I like stacking up fake dolla bills up in my imaginary hanger.

If, however.... I could take WH A's "stuff" , combine it with WH B + C's "stuff" and make some really shiny and valuable items...

Well now your talking! It gives me a reason to get off my butt and attack someone

PLUS if I lose billions of isk in the ensuing battle I have a good chance to make that ISK back before someone else comes knocking on my door.

EVE *NEEDS* conflict drivers.

We need things like Tech

(but god no NOT Tech, that mechanic was horribly broken but it had the right idea)

Kynric has the right of it.

There's got to be some way of damaging something without having to invest too much time in the effort of reinforcing it. After all, the HP of POSs, POCOs, iHubs etc are there to prevent arbitrary destruction without a means of redressing or responding. These assets are so tough not because they need to be, but because it is a binary state of EVE conflict; either it's totally functioning or it is destroyed.

The idea of degradable infrastructure has been floated before, mostly in conjunction with nullsec where Sov warfare has turned into "who has the most dreads and can destroy things in a reasonable timeframe". This has caused and supports the whole concentration of power.

It is possible to RF POCOs in nullsec with solo dreads (even getting them RFed before your first siege cycle ends) which sounds like an opportunity for conflict. it is not, because the POCO comes out in the defender's prime time, and they assemble a giant fleet to defend, or just faff about, dock, grab carrier/supers and drop on the cyno bomber. Result? No progress, just wasted time.

In w-space, POCOs and POSs are even harder to RF efficiently, and often result in similar problems. The defender must defend, and often figures they have to phone the bats, because they will lose everything; the attacker may be fishing for PVP but has to invest hours or days, only to be blobbed to hell and not get a goodfight.

Degradable, interdictable, infrastructure may be a way of people provoking combat in wormholes, and nullsec.

For example, if a POCO has 10M shield EHP, it could have ten one million EHP blocks. Each block which is shot off causes 10% of any transferred goods to be lost in transit.

Your raider or guerilla troll squad could then go about interdicting and degrading POCO efficiency to damage and siege out a foe. In w-space, you may find that this would result in tactics whereby you begin shooting off the Barren and Temperate POCOs and await a response; when PVP goodfite happens, you leave.

In lowsec, you'd probably get trolled constantly. But who does PI in Lowsec anyway?

In nullsec, you could extend this to all infrastructure; pirate detection arrays, etc, you be raided and degraded as a softening-up tactic. You wouldn't have AFK cloakers so much as you'd have raiding parties coming in, shooting the place up, and leaving or fighting.

If you really did want to destroy the assets, you could invest the whole 100% of the RFing, reinforce and get the timers, and come back to finish the job.

That way the defender, in w-space at least, would have more nuanced understanding about what kind of trolling, teabagging or douchery was being committed, and whether or not to pick up the batphone.

Log-in traps I think need to go, or at the least there needs to be a way for people to detect how many ships are logged out in a system.

I have a thread running in the features and discussion forum

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=269042&find=unread

Log on traps should not be fixed, you should never be 100% safe while you bear it up. If you are active in your WH and not one of those log in log out farmers you should be around enough to detect the movements of people coming in to set up a log on trap anyway.

I have been in on a log on trap on the attacking side and its a lot of investment of time for you on the PVE side to just say it should be stopped. There is countless hours finding the perfect target that bears up at exactly the same time then more hours scouting them constantly, then there is literally days inserting caps and subcaps at odd hours to avoid detection and those toons logged out in that system are not playable for days until the event happens. After that there is literally hours sitting at your log in screen waiting for it to go down so you cant just say they need to be fixed when the aggressing side has done a significant amount of time investment to do.

The log on trap i was in netted 18B in kills and then a ransom of 25B but that is nothing compared to what farmers make in those systems so i really don't see your issue if you get hit by a log on trap once in a blue moon, you should consider it a price of doing business in a WH.

Also your whole suggestion is about you wanting to log off safely, i am glad those days are gone. If you want perfect safety stay in HS if you want to make tens of billions of isk per week in a WH then you have to risk your space pixels as well.

TL;DR WH's are not meant to be safe.

Who said it is generating good content to the benefit of all WH space? And why should everything incentivise change? Sometimes the world just needs to burn.

I'm only claiming you shouldn't fix it for someone that is now mad he can't just log off in a site when he gets caught. And yes if a group of people go to that amount of effort to get those kills they are generating content for their group, i don't see what is wrong with that.

I would hardly call it risk free, that fleet is moving through WH space usually in dribs and drabs with caps and subcaps coming in all at different stages all of them AT RISK. And yes i still say it is a lot of effort for those "ganks".

I think your under the misconception i think its leet PVP, it isn't it is just one form of PVP just the same as you ganking a T3 running sites well down your chains with a couple of your corpies. Or do you never do that? Cause that is blobbing and ganking on the same level. Is that was is "wrong" with WH space too?

Log off traps risky ? You only need 1 c5 -c5 sized hole to seed enough caps/subcaps in to your target system to take out any farming operation (which is what ppl target), which you will be doing when they are offline.

Even if there is an odd chance u have to transit extra systems, what are the chances of there being a fleet there big enough to take you on, that u didn't manage to spot in the first place ? right.. slim to none.

I'm not arguing that they should go, but risky .. c'mon try harder