EVE General Discussion

Of course, if you give a monkey a suitcase full of money he won't know what to to do with it.. That's logic. A billionaire usually has more than half a brain though.

Feels like we're getting offtopic with all the lame U WANNA P2W comments though. It's alright, I understand that some people have a party-pooper personality and would never accept a unique Battleship to be included in the Collectors Edition.

After all.. EVE celebrates it's 10 year anniversary every single day so why bother making this one special. AmIright?

Because all you get is either game time or ISK, depending on what you do with them, and neither of those two win you anything. Hell, not even the ISK is guaranteed…

Yes: it's the null hypothesis. If you want to claim that they're ruin their own game economy (and counteracting their efforts to balance the prices by storing and injecting confiscated PLEXes), then you cough some proof to support that assertion.

Absolutely. Preferably, it should have somewhere between worse and no stats. Having better stats is an uber ship, and thus in every way an abomination that has no place in the game.

Yes. Because it has been tried, and it didn't work because the market reacted and because ISK doesn't actually win anything. In order to win, you need numbers and skills and determination. ISK — especially if only acquired through PLEX — might buy you a very tiny number, but not enough to matter and certainly not enough to overcome the other two.

It wouldn't be particularly secret, for one, and for another, you're still missing out on the simple fact that there's a cap on how many he can sell. You're looking at the wrong number. The one you want is monthly volume and monthly average. Now compare that to the one trillion net ISK that is injected into the economy every day, and see what relative amount of “win” flooding the PLEX market will buy you…

Oh, and no, you're not right. EVE celebrated its 10-year anniversary on its 10th birthday.

The isk is guaranteed because you get to review every sell order before you sell it, like I said, give a monkey a suitcase full of money wont do no good but not everyone is a monkey which is why your logic fails.



Edit: Your character wasn't even born when most of this happened but consider this your lesson in EVE.

Their efforts to balance the economy? Oh you mean like when they tried to cover up the fact that a CCP employee, T20, had helped Band of Brothers by spawning T2 blueprints out of thin air? Yea, that helped the economy for sure. Or when CCP leaked sensitive info regarding the Epic mission arcs that forced them to rewrite months of work? Or when they released the Expanded Cargohold II blueprint which simply converted all existing Expanded Cargohold I blueprints to T2 versions. Days before that announcement was made you could see a great increase in the amounts of T1 blueprints being bought. Isn't that strange? You seem to be incredibly naive if you think CCP isn't doing stuff behind the scenes that they don't want us to know about.


By keeping plex prices high they force people to play more to gain the isk needed to buy a plex. To earn moar isk you usually need more accounts because this game is very multitasking / multi account friendly. Why do you think they included a 60 day cd key in the CE? Come on man, wake up. It's more likely that they're buying plexes with printed isk than the other way around.




Maybe, but having the exact same stats makes no sense, it's not a unique ship. It's just CCP being lazy. Creating a skinned Magnate takes about 5 minutes, thats how much effort CCP put into that ship.




It has been tried? Source please. It didn't work? Source please. ISK doesn't win anything? How about the time when BoB hired MC to attack "The Big Blue" Ultimately causing them to disband? I'm referring to old history now but that's because I'm oldschool but thats how it works. Money talks Tippia walks. You seem to be a very narrow minded person to be honest.



Who cares about how much isk the total population of EVE injects to the economy every day? That's like saying "printing US dollars won't make you rich because you are flooding the market with currency."

If I filled every PLEX buy order today, do you honestly think that there would be a Jita riot about it? Would the forums go wild? No. That would never happen, maybe in your pink pony fantasy world but not in reality.

What would happen is I would be filthy rich, that's what would happen.


Tippia: Oh, and no, you're not right. EVE celebrated its 10-year anniversary on its 10th birthday.


Which just so happens to be the same year the Collectors Edition was released. What a coincidence! Completely unrelated to the 10 year anniversary.

I don't know what you've been smoking but it must have been some strong stuff man. The 600 bil I was talking about is the current list of buy orders in Jita where the buy price is above 500 mil, that means buy orders at 400+ mil would still be there. I could have that money in less than 10 minutes if I had enough plexes to sell. They are about as guaranteed as the fact that we will all die some day because the prices are there, the buy orders are there.



Oh my god.. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

I provide proof that CCP is full of crooks, you tell me I have none. Do you have a severe form of dyslexia or why isn't my information making any sense to you?

The CCP scandals that I talked about, T20, Epic Arcs, Expanded Cargohold II BPO info being known prior to patch release etc. what was that to you? Lies? If that isn't proof that stuff happens at CCP that isn't exactly straight with the players then I don't know what it is.
Also, if you think that every scandal that has ever happened has been brought to light then you are again, extremely naive.

Knowing that, there is a huge risk that CCP is in one way or another interfering with the plexes because that's actual money to them.



Yea to you maybe, but you seem to be easily fooled knowing that you actually believe in everything that CCP tells you/us.
Selling something that is identical to the original ship claiming that it's special when it's not is just marketing 101.

It's like LOTR. First they release the movie in the theatre and you go and see it, then they release it on dvd and you buy it, then you watch it on TV with all the commercials etc.

In the end they've sold the same product three times to you. Very much like this garbage Magnate, same thing with shiny wrapping paper around it. Consider yourself owned by CCP's marketing department.



BoB is a perfect example of a rich organization that couldn't stave off smaller entities? Rofl. ROFL. Please just tell me you didn't write that.

Man you need to go read up on some of EVE's history because what you're using as an example right now is one of the most powerful alliances in EVE history. Honestly just stop, never talk about this subject again because you're acting like you know something but in reality you have no clue.



Who cares!?!? The BUY order of plexes would be depleted, who the hell cares? The money would still be in my pocket. Also, the next guy who wants to sell a plex won't sell it for 1m isk just because the buy order pool is depleted. I'm not missing anything, you're just trying to act smart when it's quite obvious is the other way around.

500b not much for one person to have in his wallet? Ok man. Whatever you say.

All in all, you are nothing but a foney trying to act like you're The Architect from The Matrix talking like you know something. Your character is from 2007. You have no clue about what you're talking about because you weren't even here when they happened so just hush man.

It's called Economy 101. You should try it.

Yes. You have no proof that CCP is seeding the game with ISK that hasn't been created through normal gameplay (or, indeed, that CCP is full of crooks — not that it has any bearing on the actual issue at hand). If you do have some, please cough it up.

You're not talking to a wall. You're talking to someone who doesn't accept irrelevant ramblings as proof for a completely unrelated assertion.

…and if you like the product, you don't mind because you get different products with different characteristics that give them value in spite of occasionally being the same film. Kind of like how buying a Magnate is very different from buying a Special-edition Magnate, in spite of their having the same stats. Of course, what you said is quite incorrect. After you buy it on DVD, you don't watch it on TV and there is little chance you'll ever see it in cinemas again, so it's pretty much completely unlike any of the SE ships in the game.

No. BoB is a perfect example of an organisation that lost in spite of all its ISK. Same as Goons. Same as every entity with “the most ISK evarr!” that have existed throughout the history of the game.

The aforementioned mystery billionaire does because it means there is an upper limit to how much ISK he can buy for his money, which means that even if ISK somehow guaranteed a win, and even if the ISK itself was guaranteed, the amount of “win” would be very limited in the overall scale of things. There are multiple trillionaires in the game. There are corporations and alliances out there that have several of them in their midst. If ISK→win, they would have won long ago and the game would already be over. Fortunately, your supposition is false, so the inevitable conclusion has failed to manifest itself.

I'll put it as plainly as possible and maybe you will get it. PLEX can only ever buy you one of two things: time or ISK. ISK can only ever get you what other people are willing to sell you, and none of them will sell you a “win” because it's not something that can be bought and sold, but rather a result of far bigger processes than making your wallet blink. ISK may help you buy the tools you need to win, but it will never buy you the win itself — that one you have to achieve on your own. Meanwhile, time does not provide you with any kind of “win” either (except maybe in the most negative sense of “not losing” while you outlast someone). Time offers you opportunities to put your tools to use, but it will never offer you the win itself — that one you have to achieve on your own.

So no. PLEX is not P2W in any sense of the word.

Yes. You have no proof that CCP is seeding the game with ISK that hasn't been created through normal gameplay (or, indeed, that CCP is full of crooks — not that it has any bearing on the actual issue at hand). If you do have some, please cough it up.

You're not talking to a wall. You're talking to someone who doesn't accept irrelevant ramblings as proof for a completely unrelated assertion.

…and if you like the product, you don't mind because you get different products with different characteristics that give them value in spite of occasionally being the same film. Kind of like how buying a Magnate is very different from buying a Special-edition Magnate, in spite of their having the same stats. Of course, what you said is quite incorrect. After you buy it on DVD, you don't watch it on TV and there is little chance you'll ever see it in cinemas again, so it's pretty much completely unlike any of the SE ships in the game.

No. BoB is a perfect example of an organisation that lost in spite of all its ISK. Same as Goons. Same as every entity with “the most ISK evarr!” that have existed throughout the history of the game.



I could waste another 15 minutes of my precious time to answer your crazy posts but it's not worth it, you'll never get it because you have your head stuck so far up your * it's physically impossible to pull that hydrocephalus head out of that tiny hole.

If currency can buy you the presidency of the United States of America which it often does knowing how much a campaign costs then rest assured that a certain amount of isk and determination could win you EVE. From now on I'll ignore your posts because talking to a know-it-all brick wall forum warrior who likes his own posts is just a waste of my time.

So let me get this straight, just because nobody is forcing me to buy the Collectors Edition doesn't mean I shouldn't voice my opinion of how they should have done it? Am I not entitled to an opinion? Is the general discussion section a place where people should keep their mouth shut and just eat whatever is fed to them?

Do you live in North Korea or what? If so, say hello to Kim Jong-Un from me because from what I'm reading you are used to being told what to do and what to think. I hear that people who have opinions about how stuff should be get killed over there so I completely understand your post.

It would be if you stopped making things up and instead started to use actual facts and arguments. But yes, if you continue to use fantasy, assumptions, fallacies, and provably false assertions as your only points, it is pretty wasteful since it will get you nowhere.

…then it would have no bearing on EVE, even if it were true.

The fact remains: PLEX is not P2W and unless you can prove otherwise (and it is up to you to prove this) CCP is not seeding the market with ISK that hasn't been produced through normal means. In the meantime, may I suggest that you get back on your regimen of dopamine-inhibitors?

You're once again confusing tools with outcomes. An election campaign is not, and does not guarantee, a win.

Not as long as you keep confusing it with facts and keep abusing people who disagree with you and prove your assumptions wrong, no. If you're going to express your opinion, accept the fact that your opinion may be, not just not universally shared, but flat out wrong.

For me, buying it was a no brainer.

I'm a huge fan of the game... I have a podcast, a blog... i travel to most of the events I can..

EVE to me is an escape from the law abiding peacefulness of real life.

I also needed a USB hub. :)

I'm so far pretty happy with the items that I've received from the Collector's Edition, I like my new sleeve tattoo (shame that no one else gets to appreciate it but hey ho, one day) and think that it is exactly like the Collector's Edition from any other game, the value that is placed on what I have is unique to me, most special editions add little to the gameplay they are just for someone who enjoys the game a lot and wants a couple of cool things, the value is up to them to decide.