Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, because low and null are *so* populated now. 40 jumps through null yesterday and I found all of 2 actual ships (almost everyone in local was docked up). There were only 2 occasions where the 'locals' were bold enough to undock, and in both instances they proceeded to warp bubble a gate. The very definition of complacency.

Nah, you've just already blocked my main. and "pros" don;t shoot cynos unless they know it's going to be jumped to. A cyno that someone has already used, is just 10 minutes (or 2 minuts SD) for the cyno pilot to waste, so a pro would leave the pilot to wait out his self destruct timer. a cyno kill on a killboard is worth nothing.

I have to ask though seriously Harry, do you actually consider yourself a pro? Or are you saying it as a joke? If you really believe that is true,you might need to seek professional help.

That's my point though. Null is empty because the only thing worth a damn down there is moon goo, and that's getting less and less. See my above post. How is making null harder to live in, and thus MORE EMPTY a good idea? I'd be in a WH in a heartbeat if they made this change to null, as it would be a **** load easier to defend.

you never have been in null like it seems, 90% of the time there is waiting because you guys are station hugging when i come... so i shoot your ******* cynos because I'm bored, every cyno i kill is a memorial to the pure boredome you alliances bring to this game

blocking your alt now as well, I'm tired explaining you stuff

it was simple still you don't understand... i don't care if it helps them, I'm bored because nothing is happening out there, so i shoot a cyno, and when there is no cyno I may get shotdown because i try something silly, as well just because of pure boredome... you are not winning because of skill, you are winning because you bore the **** out of me... two thumbs up

and you know what, I even post on the forum because of all this boredome

I underlined the point I am specifically responding to. My comments effectively address the remaining items to the point of rendering them meaningless details.

I get that worm holes do not have local.
The argument that those wanting to remove local should move into a wh, falls flat due to the other differences between the two play areas.

I also acknowledge these differences make wormholes unique. This does not, however, mean that the delayed local mechanic can only work in this environment. It just means wormholes have multiple mechanics designed to isolate them and limit them to what can happen inside.

This is why I advocate a partial change to local in the first link in my sig below.
The second link defines a balanced method to hunt cloaked ships, but it is ONLY balanced by local no longer exposing them freely.

I think the bit you keep missing though is the problem with no local wouldn't be restricted to cloaked ships. No local in null leaves any null sec space with more than a couple of gates as a huge security risk. Think about WH players, and how they collapse wormholes to reduce points of entry. This is not possible in null. Also there's cynos, not possible in WHs, possible in null, another point of entry. There's also jump bridges, which would give the sov holder another point of entry.

The part you seem to gloss over is that wormholes are specifically designed around the idea of having no local. In order for null to have no local, null would need to be modified to allow gates to be shut off, or restricted in ship size, and to block cynos more easily.

Personally I have no issue with the idea of no local anywhere, but I can see how it would negatively affect the majority of the population. It would also affect people streaming fights. No more "Oh look, 2000 in local!" it would just be "there may or may not be more people here than a minute ago".

Overall, it's just too big a change to put in place and balance without pissing a lot of people off, so CCP will leave it as it is, because as it is currently, it works, and there's not waves of people rage-quitting over it.

You really should read that link below. It may come as a shock, but I anticipated your concerns.

The idea I suggested is more akin to a rehab for players to wean off of local.

As to being a huge security risk: NO.

If they cannot defend their space, it falls.
No massive fleet is going to be blocked by a gate camp, or ever need to use a bridge to bypass one. Gate camps are effective only up to a point, and bridging is meant to bypass these.

Cyno use is intended as a means to speed up movement, and does so.

Wormholes are special little rainbows, with rules that very nearly make them into a different game entirely. They do not, nor have they ever, been the only place where delayed local can work successfully.

The flawed perception by those assuming this, can be easily corrected by testing it, should they ever choose to do so.

It's way too long to read it all, but it all seems to be heavily based around cloakers. Single pilots and cloakers aren't the only risk to null sec though. A 1000 man alliance fleet could easily bridge their way into the heart of your sov space and timer stuff before you even had a chance to form up. Intel would be EVEN MORE reliant on spies and meta gaming that currently. currently they would be spotted en route and you would have the ability to form up.

Also blops fleets would become a lot more common, as they could scout out a mining party, blops in a fleet, then bomb the mining fleet with relative ease. Sure, this could be countered by aligning out all the time and hoping you are in warp before the bombs hit, but at some point the amount of effort you put in to just stay alive outweighs how much you can make, and it's when that balance tips that people will decide to move out of null.

If your space is too spread out for you to protect it except at the borders, why should the game design help you?

Why, exactly, should the forces interested in challenging you be prevented from taking the time and effort to do so?

You are not being stopped from defense, and being spread too thin, as you described it, is noone's problem but yours.

As to blops fleets being a threat, they don't have a great range either. Anything limiting local to the point of not showing cloaked ships, also opens up the balance for detecting cloaked ships.

Would you say that self protection is someone else's responsibility here, but not your own?
Scan for the cloaked vessels, do patrols.

It's your space, that makes it your responsibility to defend too.