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Slowboats to Jove Space

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-08-14 21:56:47 UTC
So I remember there (a long long time ago) being a project where somebody intended to slowboat into Jove space over a period of months before velocity stuff was changed. Now, I know the mechanics mean that no session change would be made into the Jove system and despite geographic location being "in" the system per se they would not be inside the system as the game engine sees it.

My question to you: What the hell woulda happened if they'd lit a cyno and something had jumped through? Would the ship that came through be on a grid that counts as inside the original system or inside the Jove system?

Dodixie > Hek
Indiana Clones
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-08-14 22:01:42 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
So I remember there (a long long time ago) being a project where somebody intended to slowboat into Jove space over a period of months before velocity stuff was changed. Now, I know the mechanics mean that no session change would be made into the Jove system and despite geographic location being "in" the system per se they would not be inside the system as the game engine sees it.

My question to you: What the hell woulda happened if they'd lit a cyno and something had jumped through? Would the ship that came through be on a grid that counts as inside the original system or inside the Jove system?


Haven't found out yet, still slowboating...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2013-08-14 22:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
ElQuirko wrote:
My question to you: What the hell woulda happened if they'd lit a cyno and something had jumped through? Would the ship that came through be on a grid that counts as inside the original system or inside the Jove system?

He would have arrived inside the original system, since that's where the cyno is lit and all he'd get is a rebate on the fuel cost for all the extra lightyears he jumped…

…but then there was the not-so-great-after-all-deep-safe-nerf-of-2010 (that never actually happened either way, iirc) which would have disallowed any lighting of a cyno at that distance to begin with. Hence the use of a more cautious “would” in the sentence above.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-08-14 22:04:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
He would have arrived inside the original system, since that's where the cyno is lit and all he'd get is a rebate on the fuel cost for all the extra lightyears he jumped…

…but then there was the not-so-great-after-all-deep-safe-nerf-of-2010 (that never actually happened, iirc) which would have disallowed any lighting of a cyno at that distance to begin with. Hence the use of a more cautious “would” in the sentence above.


Clarification much appreciated. <3

Dodixie > Hek
Lee Saisima
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-08-14 22:04:44 UTC
I expect the cyno would have registered as coming from the system they were "slowboating" from, seeing as though the cyno ship would not have initialized the session change into the Jovian system. It would have just appeared on grid, and the system would still be registering in the top left as the original system, I expect. All just wild speculation and theory though. Maybe the ship would have jumped through into a huge bright-white hanger and a purple llama would have offered the pilot a "good price" on some V4 shaders for their hull for making it that far. Space is big remember, and full of things.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#6 - 2013-08-14 22:07:16 UTC
Indiana Clones wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
So I remember there (a long long time ago) being a project where somebody intended to slowboat into Jove space over a period of months before velocity stuff was changed. Now, I know the mechanics mean that no session change would be made into the Jove system and despite geographic location being "in" the system per se they would not be inside the system as the game engine sees it.

My question to you: What the hell woulda happened if they'd lit a cyno and something had jumped through? Would the ship that came through be on a grid that counts as inside the original system or inside the Jove system?


Haven't found out yet, still slowboating...


interesting.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#7 - 2013-08-14 22:58:25 UTC
There was also this guy
That Seems Legit
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-14 23:30:29 UTC
this thread needs more turkey bacon swiss avocado sammiches. Damnit....

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-08-15 00:13:47 UTC
I wish there was a way to get into Jove space.

Just to stick it to the devs. :P

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2013-08-15 03:47:07 UTC
This thread needs more threads.

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#11 - 2013-08-15 05:48:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
My question to you: What the hell woulda happened if they'd lit a cyno and something had jumped through? Would the ship that came through be on a grid that counts as inside the original system or inside the Jove system?

He would have arrived inside the original system, since that's where the cyno is lit and all he'd get is a rebate on the fuel cost for all the extra lightyears he jumped…

…but then there was the not-so-great-after-all-deep-safe-nerf-of-2010 (that never actually happened either way, iirc) which would have disallowed any lighting of a cyno at that distance to begin with. Hence the use of a more cautious “would” in the sentence above.


I still dislike this change every time I think about it.

I'm right behind you
CCP Falcon
#12 - 2013-08-15 10:58:07 UTC

See you in Polaris in 69,479,239,102 AD.

I'll put the kettle on for a nice cup of tea Big smile

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Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-08-15 11:43:19 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

See you in Polaris in 69,479,239,102 AD.

I'll put the kettle on for a nice cup of tea Big smile


Jokes on you he's using an aftrburner.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#14 - 2013-08-15 11:53:49 UTC
At least allow friends of Jove to come in and play. Sad

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#15 - 2013-08-15 12:03:16 UTC
That reminds me of another thing I once wondered about.
Can you slowboat from one gate to another inside a system?

I don't think so, but I am not sure...
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-15 12:07:29 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
That reminds me of another thing I once wondered about.
Can you slowboat from one gate to another inside a system?

I don't think so, but I am not sure...

Yes, it's theoritically possible. As long as you just align and fly. If you don't the distance traveled and the odds of pin pointing such a small target is impossible. Space is so large even when galaxies collide the odds of collisions between stars and planets are in the billions. Space is just too vast.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2013-08-15 12:11:24 UTC
Isaac Collins wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
That reminds me of another thing I once wondered about.
Can you slowboat from one gate to another inside a system?

I don't think so, but I am not sure...

Yes, it's theoritically possible. As long as you just align and fly. If you don't the distance traveled and the odds of pin pointing such a small target is impossible. Space is so large even when galaxies collide the odds of collisions between stars and planets are in the billions. Space is just too vast.

Thats not a question of how it works in real space but how the game works
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-08-15 12:18:52 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Isaac Collins wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
That reminds me of another thing I once wondered about.
Can you slowboat from one gate to another inside a system?

I don't think so, but I am not sure...

Yes, it's theoritically possible. As long as you just align and fly. If you don't the distance traveled and the odds of pin pointing such a small target is impossible. Space is so large even when galaxies collide the odds of collisions between stars and planets are in the billions. Space is just too vast.

Thats not a question of how it works in real space but how the game works

Warping isn't jumping. If it was you would'nt be able to warp to or make safe spots off grid, You'd only be allowed to warp to X planets X gates X belts etc etc. Given the way they've differentiated jumping I'm pretty sure it's possible.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-08-15 12:29:23 UTC
Well, there's also the fact that systems have an actual edge now. For example, the system I live in, the furthest planet from the sun is around 30AU, give or take, and I made a bookmark that placed me 50 AU away from the sun, burned in the opposite direction from it for about 3 hours at 8km/s, and i didn't move a single AU more.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-08-15 12:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Erufen Rito wrote:
Well, there's also the fact that systems have an actual edge now. For example, the system I live in, the furthest planet from the sun is around 30AU, give or take, and I made a bookmark that placed me 50 AU away from the sun, burned in the opposite direction from it for about 3 hours at 8km/s, and i didn't move a single AU more.


8km/s for three hours is 86,400Km or thereabouts.

an AU is 149,597,871Km. Light needs eight and a half minutes to travel that distance, and it travels thirty-seven million times faster than you were.

You travelled a whole 0.05% of an AU. I'm not surprised you didn't see it tick over from .0 to .1 - that would have taken two and a half days.

The good news is that you were - just about - travelling faster than the ISS which takes 90 minutes to orbit the Earth. So, you could have gone around a temperate planet twice in those three hours. Yaaaay. Alternatively, you would have made it a little less than a quarter of the way to the moon, so you were at least outperforming the Apollo missions, who took a whole day to make it that far.

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