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Right now you have 30 seconds of invulnerability and 30 seconds of session change when you undock.

30 seconds = 30 seconds, right? So, it turns out, these two timers expire at the exact same time, meaning you have to be on the ball to jump out before someone can lock you.

But with 10 seconds of difference, this means you can hamfist your way through the right click menu and jump out with time to spare.

P.S This change also means cap fit capitals can jump in and out of a system before their invuln timer is up ~just saying~.

While I like the reduced timers, please CCP reconsider the station part. Docking games are terrible as is and this change will make them worse.

If anything, try to keep the session timer at 30 seconds for certain actions such as undocking and make other actions such as joining fleets start a 20 second session timer.

OR

Redraw the station radii to be a bit tighter so that ships have to travel backwards a bit. Faster ships could make it in time whereas slower ships might get caught in the open.

wtf, I got only 89 and I consider myself a fast clicker. I'll try again tomorrow.

PL guys you're catching people who make mistakes, and the session timer duration won't change anything at that.
you catch them because they move too soon, that won't change.

the guy that you catch on undock, because he didn't docked back, he was either trying to warp, getting rid of his invulnerability (and so session timer change nothing), or he forgot to redock in time, cause he forgot / didn't saw you. in this case, with 20sec he will also forgot / don't see you. if you were able to lock him and kill him, it must have took a few seconds. if he didn't docked during these few seconds, it's not because of session timer, but because he was not paying attention.

and for the cloaky on a gate, he got 60sec of invulnerability, so if he got catched while trying a warp, the session timer change nothing. if he try to get back to gate too soon, while timer is still here, that it's 20 or 30 won't change much things.

you're seeing wolves where there aren't any.

you will still be able to catch people who makes mistakes, and you won't be able to catch the other, like currently.

you're not angry at this change, you're angry that invlnerability exist, and hell i know it 's iirritating these people who warp while they should not, but that's the game.
and elite pvp-ers like you should kill people on good fight, not poor guys undocking on a camp. not much honor on that.

1) Good fights are fine, but there aren't enough ways to induce a fight without having to grind through structures.

The Sov system in EVE sucks now, there is no other way of describing it and we absolutely hate shooting structures, because 9 out of 10 times the people just don't fight, they don't have to, theres nothing to lose they can just go start over from scratch somewhere else.

If you know a way to induce fights that we haven't thought of yet please let us know, but Dominion sov is literally worse than masturbating with a cheese grater.

2) Making supercaps totally unkillable in lowsec is the worst possible change they could have made to help nerf supers.

If this change stays, you need a massive overhaul of every single cap and supercap ships cap recharge, figuring that a fully cap fit super is now totally immune to anything, its just going to go in and out of systems and nobody will be able to do a damn thing about it.

I could keep going but its getting tiresome to predict all the problems a year before CCP gets around to doing anything about them, if they'd just listen before hand we can tell them all the things that they need to change to avoid having to go back and do it later (Just like this current patch where we've specifically told them what they're doing is a waste of time and that its not actually changing anything).

I'm going to go on a parade around in my Avatar through lowsec capping up and jumping out under invulnerability after this patch change. I'll even post my route to see if anyone can kill me.

You are right, we were catching people who made mistakes. But the margin for someone to make that error is a lot slimmer now than it will be after the change. You go from lock time to 10 seconds + lock time, that is a huge difference.

What, page 5 and no "le petit mort" jokes?

Seriously, though, things like this add up. More please, sir!

Good stuff.

Can we also get an invulnerability indicator that can be displayed next to the session change indicator?

From a technical stand point this is a good thing.

From a game play perspective it very much gives an advantage to any defender/potential victim. I can see this being abused by station defenders in high sec.

solution?

make constant docking and undocking treated the same as wormholes. You can undock....redock...undock again but are then stuck for a period of say 2 minutes.

yes that is my fix. I see no problem with poking your head out to see what is there. But just think of this a bit rationally. You are flying a ship roughly the size of a nuclear aircraft carrier. The station traffic control is not going to like having to clear you constantly for docking and undocking. You are just being abusive.

/Ivanova does not like you very much.

Again great job guys thx u