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Cyrus Alabel
Azure Wrath
#21 - 2013-08-14 17:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyrus Alabel
Diana Kim wrote:

The Federation must be destroyed.


Y'know, you can save time by just sticking that in your signature. Actually, your mere presence reminds us of your incessant bloodlust. You could probably make a post here with just a simple period and that would be enough to remind us of your canned "GLORY TO HETH DEATH TO GALLENTE" stuff.

Also, drink!
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#22 - 2013-08-14 17:19:17 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Empire has never, repeat, never experienced a state of total war. It has never, in fact, even fought any type of war against an opponent at technological parity .


The Blood Wars, in the Bleak Lands.

Therefore you are Wrong.

But, that's hardly a surprise. Hurr.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-08-14 17:27:17 UTC
Cyrus Alabel wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

The Federation must be destroyed.


Y'know, you can save time by just sticking that in your signature. Actually, your mere presence reminds us of your incessant bloodlust. You could probably make a post here with just a simple period and that would be enough to remind us of your canned "GLORY TO HETH DEATH TO GALLENTE" stuff.

Also, drink!

.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Darth Espectro
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-08-14 17:33:33 UTC
If the Empire were to attack the Federation, it would not be to destroy them, Ms. Kim.

We fight for the Reclaiming, so we would enslave the Gallente and guide them to His glory, even if that takes several generations.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-08-14 17:47:37 UTC
Darth Espectro wrote:
If the Empire were to attack the Federation, it would not be to destroy them, Ms. Kim.

We fight for the Reclaiming, so we would enslave the Gallente and guide them to His glory, even if that takes several generations.

Yeah, let's just cut to the chase - that's never going to happen. It's not going to happen with the Minmatar either. The Reclaiming is in the past. Get used to it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-14 18:03:45 UTC
Darth Espectro wrote:
If the Empire were to attack the Federation, it would not be to destroy them, Ms. Kim.

We fight for the Reclaiming, so we would enslave the Gallente and guide them to His glory, even if that takes several generations.

Oh, the irony. Those, who were climbing out of skin, interfering into others nations under excuse of fighting the slavery, to be enslaved themselves. It will be GLORIOUS.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#27 - 2013-08-14 18:06:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Darth Espectro wrote:
If the Empire were to attack the Federation, it would not be to destroy them, Ms. Kim.

We fight for the Reclaiming, so we would enslave the Gallente and guide them to His glory, even if that takes several generations.

Oh, the irony. Those, who were climbing out of skin, interfering into others nations under excuse of fighting the slavery, to be enslaved themselves. It will be GLORIOUS.


Let us assume for a minute that the Amarr enslave the Gallente and the Federation falls into obscurity, or at least what we know the Federation of today. With the collapse of the Federation and the success of that Reclaiming what is to stop the Amarr from continuing on into Caldari?

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-08-14 18:10:57 UTC
Well, historically, the Amarr have never invaded anyone they've signed a treaty with?

Oh, wait. Doesn't that include us, too?

Bio and writing

(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-08-14 18:15:52 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Darth Espectro wrote:
If the Empire were to attack the Federation, it would not be to destroy them, Ms. Kim.

We fight for the Reclaiming, so we would enslave the Gallente and guide them to His glory, even if that takes several generations.

Oh, the irony. Those, who were climbing out of skin, interfering into others nations under excuse of fighting the slavery, to be enslaved themselves. It will be GLORIOUS.


Let us assume for a minute that the Amarr enslave the Gallente and the Federation falls into obscurity, or at least what we know the Federation of today. With the collapse of the Federation and the success of that Reclaiming what is to stop the Amarr from continuing on into Caldari?

Treaties, Friendship between nations and Honor.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2013-08-14 18:19:28 UTC
Also the, kiloton for kiloton, best Navy in the Empires.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security
#31 - 2013-08-14 18:31:12 UTC
Steffanie has a point. While the Amarr, unlike most slavers, enslave people as their way of introducing them to their faith, they probably would not stop with the Minmatar or even the federation. Religion is a very powerful driving force. However at least they are willing to free their slaves at some point as shown by Jamyl freeing all those minmatar slaves.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-08-14 18:38:36 UTC
Alex Etolle wrote:
Steffanie has a point. While the Amarr, unlike most slavers, enslave people as their way of introducing them to their faith, they probably would not stop with the Minmatar or even the federation. Religion is a very powerful driving force. However at least they are willing to free their slaves at some point as shown by Jamyl freeing all those minmatar slaves.

Do you know, why from all four major nations in our cluster through the history only Caldari never developed or participated in the slavery?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security
#33 - 2013-08-14 18:54:18 UTC
I think I knew at some point, but unfortunately, at the moment it escapes me why exactly the Caldari haven't dealt with slavery.
Cyrus Alabel
Azure Wrath
#34 - 2013-08-14 19:00:26 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Do you know, why from all four major nations in our cluster through the history only Caldari never developed or participated in the slavery?


As I recall, it's because the harsh environment of Caldari Prime was never really conducive to a non-working upper class, and thus everyone worked? Something along those lines?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-08-14 19:07:26 UTC
Alex Etolle wrote:
I think I knew at some point, but unfortunately, at the moment it escapes me why exactly the Caldari haven't dealt with slavery.

Caldari will prefer death to disgrace of submitting to an enemy.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security
#36 - 2013-08-14 19:15:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Alex Etolle wrote:
I think I knew at some point, but unfortunately, at the moment it escapes me why exactly the Caldari haven't dealt with slavery.

Caldari will prefer death to disgrace of submitting to an enemy.


I can understand that and I respect that. Although it's a shame that one of your people pretty much has an ungodly amount of slaves and is causing incursions all over the cluster. We may have our differences Kim, but I would not wish being one of Sansha's puppets on anyone.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2013-08-14 19:25:32 UTC
Cyrus Alabel wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Do you know, why from all four major nations in our cluster through the history only Caldari never developed or participated in the slavery?


As I recall, it's because the harsh environment of Caldari Prime was never really conducive to a non-working upper class, and thus everyone worked? Something along those lines?



Close. It does have something to do with the climate on Caldari Prime. Basically, most cultures go through a phase where it is considered acceptable to capture your enemies and then enslave them - usually to perform menial work as a lower-caste member of that society.

Caldari Prime wasn't always as habitable as it is now (!!) it used to be even worse. Basically it was very rare that a clan or band would be able to get through a winter without having to leave behind it's weakest members to starve/freeze to death. If slaves had been kept, then they would have been the first to be discarded and they would have been well aware of this fact.

Keeping slaves, in short, would have meant opening your camp to people who would be sharpening a knife for you - constantly! They'd never rest until they got free - and left with enough resources to start elsewhere. This would have meant an even worse winter for the slaver group.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-08-14 19:26:21 UTC
Alex Etolle wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Alex Etolle wrote:
I think I knew at some point, but unfortunately, at the moment it escapes me why exactly the Caldari haven't dealt with slavery.

Caldari will prefer death to disgrace of submitting to an enemy.


I can understand that and I respect that. Although it's a shame that one of your people pretty much has an ungodly amount of slaves and is causing incursions all over the cluster. We may have our differences Kim, but I would not wish being one of Sansha's puppets on anyone.


We could talk about the rogue drones that were supposed to be slaves of the Gallente that also raid everyone else, as well.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security
#39 - 2013-08-14 19:31:53 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Alex Etolle wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Alex Etolle wrote:
I think I knew at some point, but unfortunately, at the moment it escapes me why exactly the Caldari haven't dealt with slavery.

Caldari will prefer death to disgrace of submitting to an enemy.


I can understand that and I respect that. Although it's a shame that one of your people pretty much has an ungodly amount of slaves and is causing incursions all over the cluster. We may have our differences Kim, but I would not wish being one of Sansha's puppets on anyone.


We could talk about the rogue drones that were supposed to be slaves of the Gallente that also raid everyone else, as well.


All right, I see your point. I've dealt with the things multiple times. I should not have brought Kuvakei up...
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#40 - 2013-08-14 19:42:34 UTC
Sarumites have been saying this for a very long time, and so did Jamyl when she led the house.

Luckily, crowned heads are often the wiser.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113