Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This kind of nerf would be expected if you were to apply it to neuts? lol, and this is talking about "BASE" cap, so not current cap? so if you're using nos's from a dominix onto a deimos, chances are you'll never get a nos working ?

Also If this were applied to neuting, that would make a whole lot more sense, curses would be more used, and then you wouldn't be able to neut out a frigate in 1 cycle, which would be considered OP am i right? it would make it more known to use battleships to neut battleships, everything else got nerfed, why not neuts too?

Nos's doesn't make sense that you can't nos a frigate...

IS what it should be, is you apply a variable to each ship, as a "chance of neut" just like sig radius, or even apply this effect to sig radius?

Have large nos's at a 400 resolution so if a frigate turns it's micro on and goes up to 600 sig radius, but with micro off it'd only be 50-100 sig radius, at a higher sig radius than the resolution it is then able to be nos'd for full amount from a large nos, wouldn't that make more sense?

I doubt you'd be able to achieve cap stability with small nos's or mediums at that to be able to "permatank" even with larges a dominix can have trouble.

In my opinion that would make a much more interesting game change. then you could apply the same variable to neuts.

I apparently am the only person who read this and instantly went "Now to build a NOS fit logi with energy transfer arrays to make sure I'm always cap dry". This being the only circumstance I can describe where the mechanic would work well even for ships regardless of size. I suspect however that the amount of cap drained in this way would be negligible to the purpose at hand (supplying energy to the group) and even if they functioned as small neut equivalents would not produce the desired effect. I would love to be proved wrong.

I would love to see nos grant higher cap recieved when the enemy has a higher % of cap, to the point that nos granted more cap than it used, and as the target got below 30% or so continue to work but start requiring more cap than it was granting. It would require an intelligent use of the module to reap the greatest benefits. The amount drained could also scale along those lines, working at a higher rate in the beginning and slowing as the target's cap got lower and lower.

You know energy transfer doesnt drain the target if the transfering ship runs out of cap, right?

I'm writing this because my suggestion in this thread was uncommented on and I find it to be an excellent substitute to this current proposal.

I proposed a simple and scaling alternative to NOS(in this thread) which can also easily be copied to NEUTs as well to create some kind of equilibrium in the worth of both modules, although the figures might need some tweaking it is sure is a better alternative than this solution proposed right now if I do say so myself.

Essentially what it comes down it is that NOS would be more useful against larger vessels but still not useless when used on smaller ones and it would not provide a steady cap amount, it would be largely dependant on the amount left on the target ship.

One important result in my suggestion is that the NOS always works against anyone every cycle regardless of sizes.


My proposal is here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3461068#post3461068

Keep in mind that the figures are place holders only indicating a potential solution, they may be changed easily to allow less restricted use of the modules.

Please, read it and comment on it.





Agreed, this is just becoming a trial in frustration when attempting to highlight the absolute weaknesses in the proposal, the black/white nature of it just makes my skin crawl.

The same way it knows the resists etc.. to calculate damage or how much HP is left ?

I was always under the impression that nerfing a bad module was counter productive...

It is not pointless to NOS a small ship with a big ship when you can shut down his warp scrambler and get away. As it is he can run his modules permamently by NOS'ing the big ship.

This is so that people can enjoy zooming around in small ships and kill your battleship while claiming this is better game design.

I say meh...

Only that launchers don't use cap.

Apart from that, nothing. As soon as you get neuted dry, which really won't take long from a larger neut, there will be no practical difference between current Nos and the proposed mechanic.

The mechanic change does basically nothing to make Nos more useful or effective in its current main role of neut defence. The problem isn't the mechanic, it's the drain amount.

This is exactly right. These changes dont make fitting a nos any more viable. They need a real benefit to fitying them. A frig with a nos is still no match for a cruiser with a med neut. Im not saying a nos should completely protect u from being capped dry but it should atleast give you a fighting chance.