EVE General Discussion

By listening to some of you, I am starting to imagine myself telling ALL my customers that fly their 55 million US$ business jet that its not their business how we develop and update the aircraft everytime they complain! "You dont like our Service Bulletin that makes your aircraft ADS-B Out compliant? Well just dont order it then!!...Ohh but by the way, very soon, you wont be allowed to fly in certain areas of the world if you dont."

Yeah!! I wonder how long they would let me keep my job.

I will be purchasing a ps3 this winter for both the previous generation price drop and Castlevania LoS 2. If it truly does support wasd and mouse then I'll take a look at it. Why not

So... anything remotely resembling rational discourse?

The 'CCP Brainless' remark was obviously unnecessary, however the rest of the OP was pretty spot on.
As it is, I still feel aurum is a wrong direction to take within the game. I also feel if CCP would have just went with isk prices for the noble exchange it would have been way more popular. I think we would have seen more content for it as well.

For example,
look at real world designer fashion. People pay out the ass for sneakers, Gucci, Dolce Gabana, Raybans and the like. Noble exchange could have taken advantage of that market within EVE but failed to do so imo.

Not really. They're just building a vision.

I know if I was developing a game like this, I would want to improve it regularly. First of all, I would build a game like this for myself, because it's what I would be interested in. But then I would share it as well, and in order to keep it running and improve on it, I would try to make some money off it. Also, I would discover that if it was popular enough, I could profit from it, and maybe use that profit eventually to develop something new, and share that too.

There are only a few game developers that come across as visionaries of this type to me. CCP is one of them, Bungie is another. To me it seems that more than providing us with free expansions, they are continuing to develop their vision, but also trying to incorporate the things they hear the players want. Sure, they've slipped up a few times, and Hilmar admitted after Incarna that they became overly ambitious and lost sight of their vision.

But at the end of the day, the game does continue to grow because CCP want it to grow, not because the customers demand it. Which means they will continue to give us free expansions because it's how the game grows, not because the customers demand it. There is almost certainly a degree of awareness at CCP that if the game doesn't grow, they will lose customers, but because they want it to grow as much as the customers do, that awareness is addressed by CCP's own vision.

Of course, this is just the way the game's development appears to me. To the more cynical, CCP are only in it for the money, of course. Which beggars the question, why are all their expansions free?

If those same customers began dictating to you what your company could do with their profits, just how do you think THAT would go over?

We know you'd like to expand your business, but we customers prefer you instead spend the money we paid you a different way... despite the fact that we know nothing of your company's needs or operational procedures.. or how the industry in general works.

Sounds like a recipe for success to me.

I'm a noob. I wasn't around for the Incarna debacle. But the thing is, you pay to play the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

If the game gets ruined, you can complain and say "Hey, I liked this game, and now you killed it. I'm going to stop paying" and do so. At no point do you have the right to complain simply because you're paying, because at no point is it impossible to stop paying them.

There's a difference between complaining because a game is/was/will be bad and whipping out the "WE PAY WE SAY" complaints.

There needs to be a balance between letting your customers « run » your company AND « listening to, and understanding » your customers, then adapting your company`s product to it. You are right, you don’t let your customers “run” your company!!! Believe me I know it!!!! This being said, I don’t want to know how CCP spends every penny of the money they make. But, as a customer that is using a product that has a long term life expectancy, I believe it is legitimate to feel some level of “entitlement” in regards to how I can “influence” the company, that produces and maintains the product I am using. As long as it is respectful and constructive, customers have the right to comment or even complain.

In resume, I think that OP had a minimum right to openly “question” CCP on the decisions they take in regards to how they are developing the game (although I would agree that he could have used another tone) . Some might argue that he is wrong (and he could be)…but to tell him its totally none of is business….??? I don’t think even CCP would agree with that.

Customer feedback on the product they are using is highly valued, but that isn't what the discussion is about. It is more centering on how they are developing other products.

Now the OP did mention Incarna, which is a good example of how customer feedback influenced CCP's decision making process in regards to EVE... despite the fact that most of that feedback was offered in highly inappropriate ways. Still, the customer was well within their rights to cancel subscriptions if they so chose.

Outright derision at how CCP spends their profits to develop other products (such as DUST and presumably WOD), from the point of view that many put forward in this thread that it's "our" money CCP is spending, is entirely ludicrous. That would be like the customer base of a company that builds personal jets telling that company that they cannot branch out into selling cargo aircraft as well... because it is their money that funds the company and they want it all funneled into personal jet production.

I know you get the difference, as do most people... but some people have a tendency to cross the line into thinking that paying a subscription for a service grants the right to make business decisions for the company providing that service even in matters not related to the service they are using.

That Critical Rocket thing you linked in relation to Dust 514 is one of the most badly-written pieces of trash I've ever seen. Reads like it was written by a Sony shill, and what's worse is that it's fundamentally transparent about it.