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Anyone else dissapointed with the Collectors Edition?

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Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#81 - 2013-08-13 15:48:25 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:

I don't know if the code cannot be used on an existing account, but if not, check this out: Send a buddy invite to myself. Sign up with the new account. Yet another "free" month, then I can spend 2 months of training a specialized character that I can sell on the character forums at some point (or use as another market or research alt or something). Not so bad.


The bold does not work. No reward for buddy invites that are upgraded with CD-Keys.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2013-08-13 16:00:03 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Future CCP products and events. EVE is no CCP future product, it has already been released. It's a current product.

what about "future events" then?

What about free air-ticket to next FanFest or something? Blink

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#83 - 2013-08-13 16:17:24 UTC
Maybe I'm growing bitter here but I didn't see anything in that box that I wanted to spend money on.

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-08-13 16:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
Many people are saying there is a lot of "cool" stuff in the CE set. The problem is it should be fairly useful stuff, not just cool stuff.

Especially when we're talking about in game items.

This is wishful thinking here but my kind of 10th anniversary collectors would have the history book and the soundtrack, but instead of random in game stuff, it would have other memorabilia from the eve community that contribute to the game. I dunno, eve fiction book, reprinted EON magazine collectors edition, other stuff that illustrates the community's development in 10 years. Even a poster of the game's development timeline (like what changes came into play when) or a new map of eve's systems would be nicer than what's in there right now. Dust items? This is eve collector's edition, not dust 1 year anniversary edition.

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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2013-08-13 16:56:59 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Future CCP products and events. EVE is no CCP future product, it has already been released. It's a current product.

what about "future events" then?

What about free air-ticket to next FanFest or something? Blink


Free air tickets? :) Ain't going to happen..

Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Many people are saying there is a lot of "cool" stuff in the CE set. The problem is it should be fairly useful stuff, not just cool stuff.

Especially when we're talking about in game items.

This is wishful thinking here but my kind of 10th anniversary collectors would have the history book and the soundtrack, but instead of random in game stuff, it would have other memorabilia from the eve community that contribute to the game. I dunno, eve fiction book, reprinted EON magazine collectors edition, other stuff that illustrates the community's development in 10 years. Even a poster of the game's development timeline (like what changes came into play when) or a new map of eve's systems would be nicer than what's in there right now. Dust items? This is eve collector's edition, not dust 1 year anniversary edition.


This. Though I'd much appreciate more ingame items. More unique stuff, not just renamed frigates that already exist Straight

The Gnosis was a great idea but the problem with the Gnosis is that it was released to everyone who had an active account which is kind of like inviting everyone alive on earth to the Oscars. It became a new Apotheosis. Everyone has one.

I'm not saying; Give everyone who buys a CE a Gold Magnate. I'm just saying there should be something useful in the package that everyone doesn't have.

A unique Battleship for example, because EVE is all about flying in space and to not include a ship that is entirely unique for the CE was a bad idea.

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Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2013-08-13 18:25:03 UTC
Posting in "i want pay to win MOAR!!" Thread
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2013-08-13 18:42:13 UTC
Lazy Eagle wrote:
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Dude, could you please explain what the difference between:

1. Buying an awesome Collectors Edition for 150 euro and getting super awesome ships bundled with it.

VS

2. Buying 8 plex that you sell ingame for isk and buying any ship, rookie ship to Dreadnought basically.

There is no difference, there's just this EVE sickness where people think microtransactions are pay to win.

This game is already pay to win. Deal with it.

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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#88 - 2013-08-13 19:25:55 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Many people are saying there is a lot of "cool" stuff in the CE set. The problem is it should be fairly useful stuff, not just cool stuff.


No, I really think it should be cool stuff. But I'm not gonna complain about the USB Rifter beeing useful <.<

Imho you buy a collector's edition to show how much you like the company and especially the game and less so because it contains useful items. It's all about paraphernalia.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#89 - 2013-08-13 19:27:21 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Lazy Eagle wrote:
Posting in "i want pay to win MOAR!!" Thread


Dude, could you please explain what the difference between:

1. Buying an awesome Collectors Edition for 150 euro and getting super awesome ships bundled with it.

VS

2. Buying 8 plex that you sell ingame for isk and buying any ship, rookie ship to Dreadnought basically.

There is no difference, there's just this EVE sickness where people think microtransactions are pay to win.

This game is already pay to win. Deal with it.

That ISK was earned by players. The "super awesome ships" appeared from nowhere.
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-08-13 19:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mycool Jahksn
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Lazy Eagle wrote:
Posting in "i want pay to win MOAR!!" Thread


Dude, could you please explain what the difference between:

1. Buying an awesome Collectors Edition for 150 euro and getting super awesome ships bundled with it.

VS

2. Buying 8 plex that you sell ingame for isk and buying any ship, rookie ship to Dreadnought basically.

There is no difference, there's just this EVE sickness where people think microtransactions are pay to win.

This game is already pay to win. Deal with it.

That ISK was earned by players. The "super awesome ships" appeared from nowhere.


I'm not saying the super awesome ships would have to be useful like a 8/8/8 slot 8 launcher 8 turret Jovian cruiser. Any ship that was unique for the Collectors Edition would suffice.

I don't consider the pod a unique ship and the Gnosis was given to everyone.

And btw how is that not pay to win? Just because the ISK came from the people and not the "government"? The player buying plexes is still paying to win. Plexes are pretty much just gametime.

I could, theoretically, buy plexes for a billions of dollars and buy every player in EVE to fly under my flag and conquer all of 0.0 space. I could hire an army.

Would that be fair, just because the isk came from players?

Think about it. I would pay to win.

In my opinion, complaining that the contents of a 10 year anniversary edition of EVE might contain something that is pay to win is just silly. This isn't happening every year.

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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#91 - 2013-08-13 20:16:26 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
And btw how is that not pay to win? Just because the ISK came from the people and not the "government"? The player buying plexes is still paying to win. Plexes are pretty much just gametime.

I could, theoretically, buy plexes for a billions of dollars and buy every player in EVE to fly under my flag and conquer all of 0.0 space. I could hire an army.
I'm no market expert, but I think that's not possible. PLEX price is not fix and there is only so much demand. No, I think that wouldn't work.
Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#92 - 2013-08-13 22:49:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganjjabeard
I paid 150 solely for the usb rifter just to have a physical model of one of my favorite ships in the game. Ill pay more money for more models. Whats wrong with moar usb ports??
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#93 - 2013-08-13 23:10:11 UTC
Ganjjabeard wrote:
I paid 150 solely for the usb rifter just to have a physical model of one of my favorite ships in the game. Ill pay more money for more models. Whats wrong with moar usb ports??
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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#94 - 2013-08-14 01:49:10 UTC
Hint hint CCP : MAKE MOAR MODELZ Evil

We'll even compensate you, some sort of monetary transaction for the product we want....

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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2013-08-14 05:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mycool Jahksn
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
And btw how is that not pay to win? Just because the ISK came from the people and not the "government"? The player buying plexes is still paying to win. Plexes are pretty much just gametime.

I could, theoretically, buy plexes for a billions of dollars and buy every player in EVE to fly under my flag and conquer all of 0.0 space. I could hire an army.
I'm no market expert, but I think that's not possible. PLEX price is not fix and there is only so much demand. No, I think that wouldn't work.


Of course it would, what would happen is the prices for plexes would drop but not rapidly unless you dropped 50000 plexes on the market in one go.

After some time plexes would be dirt cheap which means more people could afford them but the billionaire doesn't care, he can sell them for 50 mil a pop and still earn:

2,500,000,000,000,000 isk, 2,5 quadrillion isk, plus all the plexes u sold at current prices. More than enough to hire mercenaries.

If you would sell the plexes at a slow rate you could get the current prices for each and every one of those plexes which would net you 25,000,000,000,000,000 or 25 quadrillion isk. Again, with this kind of money you could probably win EVE.


Again, he'd be paying to win, see people, the option to pay to win is already there. There is nothing to whine about unless you wish to remove plexes.

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Jiie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-08-14 07:52:11 UTC
atm the mystery code is a"code" for the cq door. Blink ( roumors about a code for a vamp crap game are wrong Roll )
all ce buyers can open the door, walk a long floor (realy cool ..left side doors and... ( oh i talk too much ..) right side windows and it looks verry cool to view undocking/docking ships "atm only the animatet ships later player ships too") to a bar where we meet other ce buyer´s and play mini games like the room in the ps3 store for dust ...all this is alpha/beta test (we test it first "wave") later with the wis relase, all ce buyer´s can go in a special room only access for ce buyers (not seen the room yet it´s a surprise P.

thats for me the point to buy the ce Shocked

all that stuff except for the ingame junk is not relevant to me and yes that the gtc is only available for new accounts, is "meh".

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#97 - 2013-08-14 09:20:11 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
And btw how is that not pay to win?
Because no “win” is bought with your money, only grinding time. PLEX is not P2W for the same reason as running L4 missions is not P2W: because all you're doing is exchanging time for a currency that offers no guarantees for success.

P2W happens when you are able to pay to either be exempt from mechanics that everyone else have to suffer, or when you pay to be given advantages that can only be had by paying. PLEX does neither. All you do is say “hey, I can't grind this ISK myself, could someone else please do it for me?” and any “win” still have to come from you.

The reason people are saying that you're asking for P2W is because you demand that the money you spend on the CE give you unique ships with special advantages. This falls into both categories of P2W: you get stuff out of nowhere, and you get stuff that has otherwise unobtainable advantages. There's a reason why gift ships in EVE never offer more than a reskin or a slight tweak of a very weak ship: because it must never be allowed to be better (other than as a collectible) than the stuff that the players produce.

Quote:
After some time plexes would be dirt cheap which means more people could afford them but the billionaire doesn't care, he can sell them for 50 mil a pop and still earn:

2,500,000,000,000,000 isk, 2,5 quadrillion isk, plus all the plexes u sold at current prices.
No, he could not, because there's not enough ISK to pay for it at that price, and because the demand for PLEX would evaporate instantly. He would have to give them away for free, and even then, he would not have enough mercenaries to actually win anything.
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2013-08-14 11:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mycool Jahksn
Tippia wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
And btw how is that not pay to win?
Because no “win” is bought with your money, only grinding time. PLEX is not P2W for the same reason as running L4 missions is not P2W: because all you're doing is exchanging time for a currency that offers no guarantees for success.


How is buying plexes not a guarantee for success? I'd say it's exactly what it is.
You have no idea where that isk is coming from, might as well be from a mining bot which is equal to a money printing machine.

Can you prove that CCP ain't buying plexes? Until you can prove that your point is moot.

Also, nobody has demanded uber ships, but do you really think a Tash-Murkon Magnate should have the exact same stats like a regular Magnate?

/roleplay on One wonders why Tash-Murkon would bother creating such a ship. /roleplay off.


Tippia wrote:

No, he could not, because there's not enough ISK to pay for it at that price, and because the demand for PLEX would evaporate instantly. He would have to give them away for free, and even then, he would not have enough mercenaries to actually win anything.


Rofl, if you actually believe that then I don't know what to say. A rich guy secretly drops a ton of cash into plex, nobody knows about it, but just because you say so he is completely unable to win anything.

Cool story bro.

Edit: Right now there's buyorders for Plexes that equals about 594 billion isk, that's just counting what he could raise within 10 minutes, not what he could secretly raise over one year period.

Breaking news: 594 billion isk won't buy you a mercenary fleet. Source: Tippia.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#99 - 2013-08-14 13:03:54 UTC
Lazy Eagle wrote:
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Just quoting the obvious...

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#100 - 2013-08-14 13:21:35 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
And btw how is that not pay to win?
Because no “win” is bought with your money, only grinding time. PLEX is not P2W for the same reason as running L4 missions is not P2W: because all you're doing is exchanging time for a currency that offers no guarantees for success.


How is buying plexes not a guarantee for success? I'd say it's exactly what it is.
You have no idea where that isk is coming from, might as well be from a mining bot which is equal to a money printing machine.

Can you prove that CCP ain't buying plexes? Until you can prove that your point is moot.


Hey! This guy bought a 32 billion ISK fit! And he totally won!

And this one too! Fear the pay-to-win 14 bn ISK purple terror!

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