EVE General Discussion

Concider what is happening at the moment. If you have logged into Sisi then you will have seen that the avatar graphics have suddenly jumped in quality, so why is that you might ask. I believe it's because for now they don't need to render multiple toons in one area so they can afford to give the one avatar you see much greater detail.

This is just one of the problems I think that CCP were having with a full blown WiS where you not only have multiple players in one area but also NPC's as well and I don't think that Carbon could handle it just yet.

Concider also that if CCP released more of WiS and it turned out to have little in the way of gameplay, was boring after just a quick scoot around, etc, don't you think a number of people would look at that and then say 'you spent all that time, money and effort and that's it'. This would just be throwing fuel on the fire of discontent against WiS we have already seen.

CCP are currently better off flying under the radar with WiS for now.

And this is from someone who would like to see a meaningful, fun and interesting use of WiS rather than the featureless NEX Store infested garbage CCP was making it into. I would have been happy to see Ambulation released, but for some reason it seems CCP thought we would accept a watered down Aurum poluted version of it.

Even things like clothing, go and have a look at some of the old pictures and videos of what we would have had in Ambulation compared to what we have now. Those clothes fit the EVE lore, sad that they put someone clueless in charge of clothing design for Incarna.

Doing what they did with clothing would be like taking all the different factions ships and scrapping them in favour of some generic crap. It's the flavour and immersion that CCP killed with their choices.

I remember looking at the old protraits and knowing straight away, that's an arrogant Amarr or that's a very liberal thinking Gallante just from the visual cues. That immersion has been lost.

This is exactly what I have seen in other games. Or not seen.

In EverQuest, Asheron's Call 1/2, WoW and the rest there's no real interaction between the players out of the core of what the game is supposed to be doing.

In any of the MMOs that I have played I have never found a tavern/bar full of players just sitting and chatting the hours away. The only time when I have seen soemthing is when a guild decides to have a meeting for the heck of it. It's so rare that passing players actually comment and since everhing is done in Guild/Corp chat a passer-by sees, a group of players doing nothing.

And that is the rare exception of players interacting in these places.

I have been shot down for 'not having any imagination' about what players can do in stations. Well, it must be the whole of the MMO community which has the same problem because I have never seen anything done elsewhere.

One commentator suggested that we could run bets on PvP fights outside with walkers watching on. Hmm, has he considered how running a book is going to work; running a book is never easy - and would be impossible in game. Trust me, I've done bookkeeping many a time and it wouldn't work in Eve.

What would be different is that CCP ought to look at these structures. Would would it be like to run CONCORD from a base, to control a stargate or to run the docks on a station? Those who have played games such as En Garde will know what I mean. That could add no end of possibilities to he game. Just walking around like The Sims won't.

Yes, it will look good but it won't add anything to the game. In fact, it wil detract from the lore; we're supposed to be demi-gods, arrogant and aloof. We're supposed to be plugged into our starships and be part of the universe all around; our ships' sensors are our eyes and ears. We have power when we're plugged into our ships and this is when we're gods.

CCP should open the game universe even more but WiS really won't add anything. Consider instead the power of controlling the refineries, the data feeds to the markets and the rest. That is where the game should be going.

But, at the end of the day, I am not opposed to WiS if, and only if, it adds something to the game and CCP has to pull a rather large and special rabbit out a hat to do so.

Yes, crime. That is a whole area which has been overlooked.

But we don't need to have WiS to have bootlegging, sabotage and other stuff. We can do that in the ships.

Crime. That would be good if CCP explored that more.

Maybe immersion breaking for you. But I, for one, prefer buying books online than going to my local bookstore.

Might as well be. Rational and independent thinking seems to be what scares people the most these days.

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72 alts - thats why it looks like theres a lot of people FOR WiS

Flying In Space? Well, let's count the people in the specialist forums; Exploration, Combat, Markets, Industry, etc etc -- these are all people who want Eve in the current FiS state.

The Walking In Stations crowd. Again, which forum is that?


Walking around, scratching the back of one's head is not Eve. There are games such as EQ and WoW which require walking around. At the moment there is no game mechanic in place which fits into Eve and improves the game.

There can be lots of stuff which can be done in-station but little or none of it needs to be done outside of a pod. The whole point of Eve is that we're in that pod.

Look, don't get me wrong -- if there were a good reason to be outside of a pod, I'd be there. But there isn't and there has been a complete dearth of good reasons to get out other than "I want to". WiS was, or is, a diseased test environment for a game for sub-pubescent teens and that's it.

We're playing a game where we're immortals, demi-gods who roam amongst the stars - not fashionistas rummaging around clothes racks. We're supposed to be out there bringing down corporations and alliances; not trying on shoes!

Nothing in his post even remotely suggests "walking in stations" will make him scared. He is pointing out "walking in stations" will make him, and most people bored.

If you don't think it will be boring please tell me the games where you mostly walk around and "interact with others". Really lets hear about all the great "walking in ____" games that have been such big hits.

•The Sims – 17,000,000 (2010)
•Second Life - 8,000,000 (mid 2010)
•World of Warcraft – 11,000,000 (2011)
•Aion - 3,400,000 (mid 2010)
•Runescape – 1,300,000 (2009)
•Lineage – 750,000 (2009)
•Lineage II – 750,000 (2009)
•Dofus – 520,000 (mid 2010)
•Final Fantasy XI – 350,000 (mid 2010)
•Eve Online – 325,000 (2011)
•Lord of the Rings Online – 210,000 (mid 2010)
•City of Heroes/Villains - 125,000 (2009)
•Age of Conan – 120,000 (mid 2010)
•Ultima Online - 100,000 (2009)
•Everquest - 100,000 (mid 2010)
•Warhammer Online – 80,000 (2010)

The two biggest 'hits' (like them or not) are entirely 'interact with others' games. After 8 years, EVE is still sitting at under 400,000. There *is* a market for social gameplay. Applying this to EVE, it would need to be REVELANT and MEANGFUL (as witnessed by the recent flop of Incarna's single-cell room and monocle fiasco).

all those games suck balls especially the korean ones, that's why i play eve, don't bring that crap here please
the tldr of my wall of text reply is that you are stupid for making such a comparison