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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2013-08-14 01:38:28 UTC
Fun is subjective, you can have just as much fun in a throwaway frigate as you can in a battleship, if not more. You seem to be suffering from the belief that bigger is better, you're wrong on so many levels about that. Feel free to afk for months to get into your dream ship, we'll all laugh hilariously when it explodes, because you don't didn't bother logging in and actually learning how to use it or its weapons.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#22 - 2013-08-14 01:38:59 UTC
Oh God another one !

Maybe you and Paul should get together and hold hands, hug or something.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#23 - 2013-08-14 01:42:53 UTC
Tyrton wrote:
Oh God another one !

Maybe you and Paul should get together and hold hands, hug or something.



Paul, Harry, Ace and this guy, a truly unholy quartet of being bad.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-08-14 01:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime
Johan Toralen wrote:
Caesarion Prime wrote:
A couple Accounts? So you want me to support this game with Money where you don't have fun to begin with?
Would be fun if you saw....hey 0.0 sec i will go there and do something. The 0.0 Sec is owned by Corps now.
The only aim you have is to get into one of those 0-0 Corps......but there is no fun in that. Exploration is gone.

You can go afk and farm SP for 2 years and then go for one null sec corp. Thats your only opportunity to get some fun.


Is anyone holding a gun to your head forcing you to play this game?
If you don't enjoy it then no you shouldn't support it. Go play something else instead. It's the reasonable thing to do.

There are many other ways to have fun in Eve then joining a nullsec corp but don't expect the game or anyone to hold your hand. If you can't figure it out for yourself then the game isn't for you.



Sure i will. There are many far more exiting games out there. But can't you see that this is hurting CCP ?
You may like your little 50k Players and ur little Corps. But CCP had an Idea that would appeal to a much bigger Fanbase if they only changed Stuff. I think it is time for CCP to risk something and open this World up for a bigger Audience.

You had your fun. Time to move into the Future.


Edit. Btw i love how noone responds to any point i made. Yeah but thats the fangirls.
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#25 - 2013-08-14 01:50:20 UTC
Caesarion Prime wrote:
Johan Toralen wrote:
Caesarion Prime wrote:
A couple Accounts? So you want me to support this game with Money where you don't have fun to begin with?
Would be fun if you saw....hey 0.0 sec i will go there and do something. The 0.0 Sec is owned by Corps now.
The only aim you have is to get into one of those 0-0 Corps......but there is no fun in that. Exploration is gone.

You can go afk and farm SP for 2 years and then go for one null sec corp. Thats your only opportunity to get some fun.


Is anyone holding a gun to your head forcing you to play this game?
If you don't enjoy it then no you shouldn't support it. Go play something else instead. It's the reasonable thing to do.

There are many other ways to have fun in Eve then joining a nullsec corp but don't expect the game or anyone to hold your hand. If you can't figure it out for yourself then the game isn't for you.



Sure i will. There are many far more exiting games out there. But can't you see that this is hurting CCP ?
You may like your little 50k Players and ur little Corps. But CCP had an Idea that would appeal to a much bigger Fanbase if they only changed Stuff. I think it is time for CCP to risk something and open this World up for a bigger Audience.

You had your fun. Time to move into the Future.


If you mean to turn EVE into a xp based game where social security bums sit all day and play to be elite.

The answer to that is NO
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-08-14 01:51:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime
Tyrton wrote:
Caesarion Prime wrote:
Johan Toralen wrote:
Caesarion Prime wrote:
A couple Accounts? So you want me to support this game with Money where you don't have fun to begin with?
Would be fun if you saw....hey 0.0 sec i will go there and do something. The 0.0 Sec is owned by Corps now.
The only aim you have is to get into one of those 0-0 Corps......but there is no fun in that. Exploration is gone.

You can go afk and farm SP for 2 years and then go for one null sec corp. Thats your only opportunity to get some fun.


Is anyone holding a gun to your head forcing you to play this game?
If you don't enjoy it then no you shouldn't support it. Go play something else instead. It's the reasonable thing to do.

There are many other ways to have fun in Eve then joining a nullsec corp but don't expect the game or anyone to hold your hand. If you can't figure it out for yourself then the game isn't for you.



Sure i will. There are many far more exiting games out there. But can't you see that this is hurting CCP ?
You may like your little 50k Players and ur little Corps. But CCP had an Idea that would appeal to a much bigger Fanbase if they only changed Stuff. I think it is time for CCP to risk something and open this World up for a bigger Audience.

You had your fun. Time to move into the Future.


If you mean to turn EVE into a xp based game where social security bums sit all day and play to be elite.

The answer to that is NO



What? And are you working for CCP ?

You guys always talk about entitlement. But you had 10 Years of fun......Telling new people to gtfo in my Oppinion is the real Entitlement.


Well also you guys made CSM....a Society to conserve Status Quo. GJ. I will not subscribe thats for sure. I know games that are fun. I put some effort into em and get a reward out of it.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#27 - 2013-08-14 01:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Caesarion Prime wrote:



Sure i will. There are many far more exiting games out there. But can't you see that this is hurting CCP ?
You may like your little 50k Players and ur little Corps. But CCP had an Idea that would appeal to a much bigger Fanbase if they only changed Stuff. I think it is time for CCP to risk something and open this World up for a bigger Audience.

You had your fun. Time to move into the Future.


Edit. Btw i love how noone responds to any point i made. Yeah but thats the fangirls.


Eve is a niche game, and very successful in its niche. Opening Eve up to the masses would turn it into a clone of every other MMO, albeit with a space setting, and kill what Eve is in the process. I call it WoWification.

People play Eve because it's brutal and unforgiving, most other MMO players aren't interested in that, and they certainly wouldn't like the scams, ganking, corporate thefts or any of the other things we get up to here. CCP acknowledge that, and from past GM/ Dev posts they fully accept that Eve is not going to appeal to mainstream gamers, and they're quite happy with that state of affairs.

DUST is an attempt at appealing to a new demographic, and I think World of Darkness will further open up CCPs target audience. Eve however will continue to appeal to its current audience, because CCP know that, for the most part, it's a loyal audience .

TL;DR they're happy being a small company with a dedicated player base, especially as their main games subs have been increasing year on year since beta.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#28 - 2013-08-14 02:01:17 UTC
Caesarion Prime wrote:
Tyrton wrote:
Caesarion Prime wrote:
Johan Toralen wrote:
Caesarion Prime wrote:
A couple Accounts? So you want me to support this game with Money where you don't have fun to begin with?
Would be fun if you saw....hey 0.0 sec i will go there and do something. The 0.0 Sec is owned by Corps now.
The only aim you have is to get into one of those 0-0 Corps......but there is no fun in that. Exploration is gone.

You can go afk and farm SP for 2 years and then go for one null sec corp. Thats your only opportunity to get some fun.


Is anyone holding a gun to your head forcing you to play this game?
If you don't enjoy it then no you shouldn't support it. Go play something else instead. It's the reasonable thing to do.

There are many other ways to have fun in Eve then joining a nullsec corp but don't expect the game or anyone to hold your hand. If you can't figure it out for yourself then the game isn't for you.



Sure i will. There are many far more exiting games out there. But can't you see that this is hurting CCP ?
You may like your little 50k Players and ur little Corps. But CCP had an Idea that would appeal to a much bigger Fanbase if they only changed Stuff. I think it is time for CCP to risk something and open this World up for a bigger Audience.

You had your fun. Time to move into the Future.


If you mean to turn EVE into a xp based game where social security bums sit all day and play to be elite.

The answer to that is NO



What? And are you working for CCP ?

You guys always talk about entitlement. But you hat 10 Years of fun......Telling new people to gtfo in my Oppinion is the real Entitlement.


Well also you guys made CSM....a Society to conserve Status Quo. GJ. I will not subscribe thats for sure. I know games that make fun. I put some effort into em and get a reward out of it.



I get reward out of EVE = to the effort put in.

New players are most welcome however why can't you just advance in the game as it was meant to be, as it was developed what gives EVE its uniqueness.



What I hear from you is hey this should be this way because i don't want to spend the time skilling I want to blow up stuff and get sp per kill.
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-08-14 02:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Caesarion Prime wrote:



Sure i will. There are many far more exiting games out there. But can't you see that this is hurting CCP ?
You may like your little 50k Players and ur little Corps. But CCP had an Idea that would appeal to a much bigger Fanbase if they only changed Stuff. I think it is time for CCP to risk something and open this World up for a bigger Audience.

You had your fun. Time to move into the Future.


Edit. Btw i love how noone responds to any point i made. Yeah but thats the fangirls.


Eve is a niche game, and very successful in its niche. Opening Eve up to the masses would turn it into a clone of every other MMO, albeit with a space setting, and kill what Eve is in the process. I call it WoWification.

People play Eve because it's brutal and unforgiving, most other MMO players aren't interested in that, and they certainly wouldn't like the scams, ganking, corporate thefts or any of the other things we get up to here. CCP acknowledge that, and from past GM/ Dev posts they fully accept that Eve is not going to appeal to mainstream gamers, and they're quite happy with that state of affairs.

TL;DR they're happy being a small company with a dedicated player base, especially as their subs have been increasing year on year since beta.



Making a game frustratingly inaccesable for new Players is intended. Ok fine. But donn't ever again tell people on the forums that if they chase the Carrot and lose money while doing it will some time lead to "Fun". Because it doesn't.
There is no "Fun" in EvE for normal People. The Carrot is 2 years in the future. and they will be offlibne while chasing it.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#30 - 2013-08-14 02:10:04 UTC
You sound like the kind of person who would rub sandpaper against your face if it awarded you with SP, and call it fun.

Who put the goat in there?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-08-14 02:10:11 UTC
This is a very poorly written OP, but no I'd have no inherent problem with giving new players a cache of about 10m SP to play with. I also think the stupid newbie frigates should be done away with and a basic but functional T1/Civilian module tackle frigate should be the starting point.
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-08-14 02:10:47 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
You sound like the kind of person who would rub sandpaper against your face if it awarded you with SP, and call it fun.


Nope thats the game.
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-08-14 02:14:08 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This is a very poorly written OP, but no I'd have no inherent problem with giving new players a cache of about 10m SP to play with. I also think the stupid newbie frigates should be done away with and a basic but functional T1/Civilian module tackle frigate should be the starting point.


What kind of starting point do you mean? New players want to do all that low sec Crap and have no chance to get to the Fun till they have 2 years of training.
Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
#34 - 2013-08-14 02:15:22 UTC
YOUR POINTS ARE RETRADED.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2013-08-14 02:15:34 UTC
Caesarion Prime wrote:

Making a game frustratingly inaccesable for new Players is intended. Ok fine. But donn't ever again tell people on the forums that if they chase the Carrot and lose money while doing it will some time lead to "Fun". Because it doesn't.
There is no "Fun" in EvE for normal People. The Carrot is 2 years in the future. and they will be offlibne while chasing it.

It's not frustratingly inaccessible, you seem to be equating fun with content, Eve's own content is dire, it's the players that make the good content. Eve is not an instant gratification hit level 80 and pwn everything with your uber gear game, and that seems to the the root of your problem, you're expecting to be spoon fed and cosseted.

You obviously don't like what CCP has to offer, so take your business elsewhere, it's that simple.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Luis Graca
#36 - 2013-08-14 02:17:01 UTC
New players get a bonus 2x skill training until 1.6M

If you wanna create an alt and need 10M SP do like the other players and either wait or get isk to buy another toon

Also if you wann play eve P2W version you should try this LINK
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-08-14 02:21:43 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
New players get a bonus 2x skill training until 1.6M

If you wanna create an alt and need 10M SP do like the other players and either wait or get isk to buy another toon

Also if you wann play eve P2W version you should try this LINK


Really? I got a free month and +9 to all attributes....takes forever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#38 - 2013-08-14 02:22:32 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
New players get a bonus 2x skill training until 1.6M

If you wanna create an alt and need 10M SP do like the other players and either wait or get isk to buy another toon

Also if you wann play eve P2W version you should try this LINK

I thought that was long gone, around the time of learning skills removal and new character attributes being improved.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-08-14 02:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime
Look i maybe old school but i think it should matter if you put some effort into your hobby.
If you can just drop some Dollars and be better than anyone else that has wasted 2 months of being offline....just comming in to change a skillque.......doesn't sound right. Doesn't even sound like a game.

In fact this is no game. It is paying for a promise....if you keep paying you will become great !
Short Stack122
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-08-14 02:27:59 UTC
Caesarion Prime wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This is a very poorly written OP, but no I'd have no inherent problem with giving new players a cache of about 10m SP to play with. I also think the stupid newbie frigates should be done away with and a basic but functional T1/Civilian module tackle frigate should be the starting point.


What kind of starting point do you mean? New players want to do all that low sec Crap and have no chance to get to the Fun till they have 2 years of training.


just saying, even though i know you'll ignore me and call me one of the ignorant masses, im a 6ish month old player with roughly 7m SP. i have earned every one of them and have had times where the long training was hard to deal with. but instead of doing like you have and turning off the game to let the skills que, i decided that my time would be better spent LEARNING how to use the new skills and mods i can then use.

your problem is that you seem to assume that you are going to know the "proper" way to use the new gear and skills you have acquired off the bat, that you would be able to jump into a Titan class ship tomorrow and fly it perfectly and better than 90% of the players here already. sorry that that is not anywhere near true.

im currently part of a Null alliance because i actually took the time to learn about the guys i wanted to join, talked to them even though i didnt meet all of the requirements that they wanted and joined up. i run fast tackle and scout for them in my "noob" frig most of the days that i have time, and i am learning new things every time i go out.

this obsession with "2 years of sp's" just to have fun is FAR from accurate in the sense of actually finding fun, i would love to have the sp to be able to fly a titan, but i dont need to fly one to have fun playing the game.

SS out