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new caldari skins are too dark
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Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-11-11 12:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Knight
The new skins for caldari ships are way too dark.
Like the ferox , on tq it is nice and shiny on sisi it is just a black grayish blob,you cant see a thing on it.

I hope they are not final.

Oh and the navy scorp with that digital camo ,it looks like a gpu memory error or something.

edit:
added some pics

new navy scorp vs old

eagle+basilisk

sith ferox vs tq ferox

ferox with caldari navy cloak fitted

oh the new market icons
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-11 18:49:58 UTC
I mean seriously, the whole game is a lot darker. Excluding not being able to see our ships in many cases, there's also a severe case of eye strain.




And eye strain is the last tired people want when trying to relax after hard day with eve.
Xenial Jesse Taalo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-11 19:20:06 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
I mean seriously, the whole game is a lot darker. Excluding not being able to see our ships in many cases, there's also a severe case of eye strain.

And eye strain is the last [thing] tired people want when trying to relax after hard day with eve.


QFT.

The ships are just too dark. We can't tell our eyes to stop trying to see; eye strain is going to happen.


And the new Firetail skin, also just too dark (also, what was wrong with it, it used to look great. :( )
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-11-11 19:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Dalloway Jones
Be prepared for an onslaught of posts saying that space is supposed to be dark. Ugh


If you think Caldari ships are bad wait till the V3 the Minmatar ones. They will all look like the Firetail.


I will be flying Amarr ships in Amarr so I can see wtf is going on.
Knoppaz
distress signals
#5 - 2011-11-11 19:30:49 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
The new skins for caldari ships are way too dark.
Like the ferox , on tq it is nice and shiny on sisi it is just a black grayish blob,you cant see a thing on it.

I hope they are not final.

Oh and the navy scorp with that digital camo ,it looks like a gpu memory error or something.



What?? The Ferox is pure p0rn now..

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Jiji Hamin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-11 20:10:17 UTC
i think the new skins are profoundly sexy, and i love when the ship is blacked out except the floating windows. i find it uberly sexy. meanwhile, when lit from the bright side, still fully visible. also, this varies region to region. syndicate is particularly dark...

moreover, while i feel pretty "take it or leave it" when it comes to the digital camo, i know some people love the new hookbill and, speaking for myself, i ******* adore the new firetail.
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-11 20:12:55 UTC
The new caldari skins are great.
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Ushra'Khan
#8 - 2011-11-11 20:38:30 UTC
My drake is VERY dark ... using mac os
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#9 - 2011-11-11 20:56:02 UTC
To dark? think folks have there contrast on to low couse i see them fine and they look totaly awesome.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#10 - 2011-11-11 23:06:21 UTC
The skins are fine, your monitor is the issue - try going into the setting and turn up your bright.... sheesh.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-11 23:50:01 UTC
Or they could brighten it and you can set your monitors to be darker. Or put a bag over your head. Same result.
Denuo Secus
#12 - 2011-11-11 23:51:10 UTC
I always disliked all the grayish of Caldari hulls. New hulls are much better imho. I love the black trim on almost all ships.
Burhtun
Burhtun Shipyards
#13 - 2011-11-12 00:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Burhtun
Naomi Knight wrote:
The new skins for caldari ships are way too dark.
Like the ferox , on tq it is nice and shiny on sisi it is just a black grayish blob,you cant see a thing on it.

I agree. I actually just complained about the same thing in another thread, with pictures to illustrate:

Burhtun wrote:

I understand that EVE is supposed to be a 'dark' universe and all that, but doesn't anybody else think this is going too far?
http://www.burhtun.com/bs/newshipsandsky.jpg

Is it this dark for everyone else? Is the lighting and shaders and whatnot still a work in progress for the new skybox and ship textures?

Visual readability has taken a nose dive. In the screenshots on the far left the Drake has become an amorphous blob that blends into the station in the background. When flying in space the ship is a silhouette when viewed from the shadowed hemisphere, and even when viewed from the side that is hit by the sun it is still very dim. That particular nebula is also so intense it will overpower anything else in the scene. Basically everything is fighting against the traditional rules of visual hierarchy.

I might as well bring up the camouflage textures for the navy ships here also, since they produce the same problem. They are reducing readability. They make the ships look like mush. Its bad art design.

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#14 - 2011-11-12 00:13:52 UTC
Burhtun wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:
The new skins for caldari ships are way too dark.
Like the ferox , on tq it is nice and shiny on sisi it is just a black grayish blob,you cant see a thing on it.

I agree. I actually just complained about the same thing in another thread, with pictures to illustrate:

Burhtun wrote:

I understand that EVE is supposed to be a 'dark' universe and all that, but doesn't anybody else think this is going too far?
http://www.burhtun.com/bs/newshipsandsky.jpg

Is it this dark for everyone else? Is the lighting and shaders and whatnot still a work in progress for the new skybox and ship textures?

Visual readability has taken a nose dive. In the screenshots on the far left the Drake has become an amorphous blob that blends into the station in the background. When flying in space the ship is a silhouette when viewed from the shadowed hemisphere, and even when viewed from the side that is hit by the sun it is still very dim. That particular nebula is also so intense it will overpower anything else in the scene. Basically everything is fighting against the traditional rules of visual hierarchy.



I really hate to say this, because I hate when people day - it's your PC, but in this case it is your monitors - go to the setting and reset to default and then try some things - fro your images - your contrast is way to low and your brightness is low also - making global changes to the skins arent going to happen - they have tested these in shop and it is why we have local setting for individual end clients.

I had a similar issue with another game not this one on my old PC, and you have to remember they have changed the graphics, the shahows and the backdrops all at once, unfortunately it is probably that your monitor isn't backlite or is a little dim... I would suggest doing a EVE profile in your GPU setting and then tweek it to the best, maybe some time in the future CCP will put in a brightness control and a gamma, but until then the best solution to this is up the settings. try a bit more contrast and brightness and you should have better quality, the images def look washed out in a uniform way when docked and they look too dim and lacking contrast in space.
Xenial Jesse Taalo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-12 00:42:04 UTC
Jiji Hamin wrote:
i ******* adore the new firetail.


But it's just dark grey! Ugh
Burhtun
Burhtun Shipyards
#16 - 2011-11-12 00:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Burhtun
Aurelius Valentius wrote:

I really hate to say this, because I hate when people day - it's your PC, but in this case it is your monitors - go to the setting and reset to default and then try some things - fro your images - your contrast is way to low and your brightness is low also - making global changes to the skins arent going to happen - they have tested these in shop and it is why we have local setting for individual end clients.

Huh? Are you saying the images look dark and muddled on your screen? Because my monitor settings have no effect on how a screen grab will look on your monitor. Bad monitor settings also wouldn't explain why the shot from the live server looks fine. Or why every other game, EVE live included, looks fine on my screen yet Sisi EVE does not. If you're suggesting I set up a profile solely for playing post-winter patch EVE, thats silly.

The problem is the new ship skin is low contrast and low in value range. So in the interior shot, it blends in with the background which is also low contrast and low in value range. The background is fine, it should be that way, its a background. Its supposed to fall back. You can see from the two screen shots that the background looks exactly the same on Sisi and on Tranqulity. Yet the Sisi shot looks like crap. What has changed between the two? Only the ship skin. In the outside shots the ship gets obliterated by a bright, high contrast, highly saturated skybox. You'd probably need a spaceship in WoW style to stand out against that backdrop. The old shiny bright Drake would at least have a chance, but this dark dull one can't compete.

EDIT:
If you position the ship juuuust right it starts to pop out from the background a little:
http://www.burhtun.com/bs/drakelight.jpg
Probably just growing pains with the V3 shaders. Hopefully it gets sorted out. It looks like on Tranqulity the light hits the ship no matter which side you're looking at. On Sisi theres one tiny spot where the ship picks up the light and everywhere else its dim.

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#17 - 2011-11-12 01:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
That to the OP.

My SISI client - they look perfectly fine, in fact much better, no issues and so I say leave them they way they are - my screen doesn't look at all like that stuff you posted, it looks very detailed, perfect brightness and contrasted, so IDK know what your talking about that they are "too dark" - they are just fine... no change needed on this end... so sorry it's your PC, not the skins or the skyboxes or whatever your on about... but I can say the images you posted look horrible, but that is not what they look like on mine and so it's not a global issue of they are too dark, it is that some displays apparenlty are not setup right.

Roll
Burhtun
Burhtun Shipyards
#18 - 2011-11-12 01:53:03 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
my screen doesn't look at all like that stuff you posted, it looks very detailed, perfect brightness and contrasted


Can you take a screenshot and show us? Are you using an Nvidia card?

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-11-12 04:18:35 UTC
Well i think the new Rokh looks damn ncie

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Xenial Jesse Taalo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-11-12 07:47:27 UTC
How can you blame his PC.
No matter what his settings or screen are like, ultimately SiSi produces an issue on the same machine that TQ doesn't and never did.
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