Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you're saying like there are no statics in wormholes and jumping through each means you have 50/50 chance of surviving. seriously, like 95% of kills in WH are ppl doing anoms/plexes and not haulers with billions in cargo

You mentioned:

"which has nothing to do with income based on risk"

I am pointing out that moving supplies and goods, the same as harvesting them or shooting rats, involves risk and effort.

The more trips back and forth you make, through more systems and other wormholes, the more opportunities someone else has to shoot you.

That is risk.

If you read any reasonable science fiction series, or look at how the oceans are dealt with today via satellite tracking, you know that everyone assumes that if you are not in a stealth configuration, you are tracked from coming into a system (ocean) until you leave.

Since much of Eve seems to follow the Traveller Universe in how it is constructed (not the game mechanics or the ships or... but the overall back story and the freedom to operate). It would be reasonable to expect that you should/would be tracked and such tracking information would be available to others moving in the system in good standing.

What I could see is if your standing with the people with Sov (including say Amarr in Highsec) was below zero, that you would not have access to the ships in local. But that the ships in local would have access to the fact that you were there.

So if someone like myself was to transit say Gallente space, I would not be able to see who is in system because my Gallente standings are below zero. On the other hand everyone in the system with standings above zero would know that I am there.

In trading hubs maybe you pay a fee for access to local information - and traffic control.

This might be a fun and useful change to how local works, and it may not.

But it is far more reasonable to see people in local, based on most of current technology and the science fiction literature that probably drove the development of Eve.

You are assuming an awful lot, added to which the back story is an arbitrary construction which works however the devs say it does.

If we show up in local because of a magic donut, then that is how it works. Eat the donut, and you are in a cloaked ship.
(These high tech donuts do amazing things)

The real truth, which can be backed up with logic easily, is that Local chat is blocking game play.
By providing duplicate and perfect intel to all parties, the subsequent choices made by these parties is equally obvious and predictable.

Local resident A is operating a project, call it PvE.
He is relying on intel to warn him when to run for safety, as his ship is not effective in a fight.

Hostile pilot B is hunting for opponents, specifically to weaken the economy of the alliance opposed to his own.
He is relying on intel to tell him where to find targets, and destroy same.

If we give both sides the current intel, combined with other known game aspects, Local resident A can always get to safety before Hostile pilot B can engage them.
Simply by watching local, and remaining aligned or in a ship that has fast zero to warp speeds. Local adds the hostile pilot to the visible roster before the hostile completes loading into the system, and in the course of events the Local resident A pilot is in warp to safety by the time the hostile finishes loading.

Only in the event of pilot error, in this case not paying attention, can hostile pilot B even have a chance to threaten local pilot A, since his actions otherwise have no impact on the events before the local pilot is able to safely enter warp and reach a POS or Outpost.

Now for the other half.

Hostile pilot B, even with maximum skills, cannot have complete system awareness enough to know everyone present. An outpost which denies him access would keep him from ever knowing who or how many pilots were present inside.

Assuming he could immediately know which ships are simply sitting in a POS, versus which are actively being piloted, would require him to be on grid with the specific POS.

And yet Local is telling him all of this, allowing him to then track targets as to whether they remain online and in the system.

Noone can sneak out. No clever strategy to slip away unnoticed. He gets immediate feedback on all in attendance unfailingly.

This is why we keep getting a stalemate scenario, because perfect intel is driving actions and choices to the same impasse over and over.

I agree with this as well. Update the D-scanner and remove local; this will add more to the game than any ship rebalancing either now or in the future.

Don't get me wrong, I love the ship rebalance over the past year, but it's time for local to go. It's old, outdated and allows for too much intel for too little effort that I believe has a negative impact on the game. Remove local and make the changes to 0.0 that were suggested by (i forget who, giant post about changing how sov works etc) even better by allowing small groups to disrupt larger organizations through tactical play.

An updated scanner (like we see with the cosmic anom's scanner sweep) would be so cool, especially if Aura spoke to you about certain tactical info.

nice one... but I still feel that a fully cloaked traveling possibility would add to the game

Remove local, but only if you give SOV holders the control over the stargates leading to the system.

Figured we might as well implement an awesome idea if we implement a bad idea.

WOW....

Do you understand how both sides of that request undeniably favor the sov holding side in a conflict?!

Remove local: The sov holding players need local FAR less than the hostile player does, since the locals have intel channels. This means the hostile player either has to show up in small numbers, hoping not to be noticed, or in big enough force so that they don't care if everyone knows they are coming.

Are intel channels powerful? Of course they are!
The level of effort used to maintain an intel network is far lower than the level of effort needed to bypass it. This is balanced by the intel network needing to be constantly active, while the hostile effort operates only as needed.

A hostile pilot is blind in your space, operating by local alone in many ways. Sure, they might know where people were mining hours earlier, or even yesterday or last week. But they have no idea who is sitting around waiting for action otherwise.
They have no CURRENT intel without local.

As for controlling the gates to your systems... just LOL....

To add. Would be nice to have directional scanner reveal "Cruiser, Frigate etc" and not "Sacrilege, Rifter".

Local should stay.