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WH connections to regular space systems with no jump gates
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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#1 - 2013-08-13 00:36:08 UTC
Why don't they exist? Shouldn't a wormhole spawn in both systems with jump gates and without jump gates?

Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#2 - 2013-08-13 01:56:23 UTC
Captain? Please?

This sense makes no.

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Luc Chastot
#3 - 2013-08-13 01:59:28 UTC
Well, wh systems are normal systems that have not been explored. From a game design perspective they are different, though, so I guess your question has some merit.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#4 - 2013-08-13 02:17:46 UTC
WHs are actually not jumpable (via cynos) from regular systems. But normal systems in regular space would be.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-08-13 02:34:48 UTC
i think it would be cool to have a cluster of systems that are close enough to the normal space ones to jump to but inaccesible through any non-wormhole way. not sure where theyd fit in though
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#6 - 2013-08-13 12:42:40 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Why don't they exist? Shouldn't a wormhole spawn in both systems with jump gates and without jump gates?


Why? What benefits\downsides are there with your idea? Flesh it out a bit and let us know what you were thinking.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-08-13 12:47:53 UTC
I think I get what you are asking for, you want a k-space sstem that can only be accessed by a WH, the problem is if you can claim sov in that system a bridge would be built very quickly it would especially become a player created network of jump bridges.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-13 13:05:29 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Why don't they exist? Shouldn't a wormhole spawn in both systems with jump gates and without jump gates?




The moment there are no belts, stations, No PI can be done, unable to harvest moons, no rats, why not?

Safety has a price, and the safer the higher. You want a better safety system than 1.0?
-ok, just make sure you have all you need in or make sure you have a supply line for whatever you do in.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#9 - 2013-08-13 14:08:07 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Why don't they exist? Shouldn't a wormhole spawn in both systems with jump gates and without jump gates?




The moment there are no belts, stations, No PI can be done, unable to harvest moons, no rats, why not?

Safety has a price, and the safer the higher. You want a better safety system than 1.0?
-ok, just make sure you have all you need in or make sure you have a supply line for whatever you do in.

Ho wait you want a pve arena... Roll

Nah just thought it'd be interesting. Could be used as transit points for capital fleets, for example, and once you get a spy with a cyno in system you could really do some damage either way.

Or, outside of CONCORD jurisdiction, maybe anybody could put up stations, maybe multiple stations. maybe multiple alliances put up jump bridges to get to and from system, etc.... Or maybe PL just puts its entire cap fleet in these things.
BlakPhoenix
Load Up Blast Everything
DARKNESS.
#10 - 2013-08-13 14:45:35 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I think I get what you are asking for, you want a k-space sstem that can only be accessed by a WH...


This idea sounds very cool and interesting. To flesh it out a bit, how about a constellation of k-space (jump gates and all), NPC owned, that is separated from the rest of k-space by wormholes. An island in the sea if you will. Maybe with a higher chance of ICE belts and a high-sec system for trade hubs and then low/null for pvp. People would set up in it as a mini New Eden however your fellow travellers would always be changing.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#11 - 2013-08-13 14:52:16 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Why don't they exist? Shouldn't a wormhole spawn in both systems with jump gates and without jump gates?




The moment there are no belts, stations, No PI can be done, unable to harvest moons, no rats, why not?

Safety has a price, and the safer the higher. You want a better safety system than 1.0?
-ok, just make sure you have all you need in or make sure you have a supply line for whatever you do in.

Ho wait you want a pve arena... Roll

Nah just thought it'd be interesting. Could be used as transit points for capital fleets, for example, and once you get a spy with a cyno in system you could really do some damage either way.

Or, outside of CONCORD jurisdiction, maybe anybody could put up stations, maybe multiple stations. maybe multiple alliances put up jump bridges to get to and from system, etc.... Or maybe PL just puts its entire cap fleet in these things.

This does sound interesting. It has no obvious negative aspect, and the difficulty to access would really be just below wormholes themselves.
(No gates, but cyno possible IF not jammed)

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supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#12 - 2013-08-13 14:58:49 UTC
I don't really get what your saying, there are plenty of WH's that go from real to real space via H2H H2L H2N L2L L2N and N2N

You just don't see pulsars
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-08-13 15:12:59 UTC
seems like a nullsec/wh hybrid which imo doesnt sound too at least try
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#14 - 2013-08-13 15:34:40 UTC
Heck, Maybe some of them are Sansha NPC space since Sansha are the ones using WH's for Incursions.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#15 - 2013-08-13 15:59:29 UTC
Sounds, to me, like an "arena" that could only be arrived at via the WH, ergo perfectly safe for the people who locate it.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#16 - 2013-08-13 16:01:41 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Sounds, to me, like an "arena" that could only be arrived at via the WH, ergo perfectly safe for the people who locate it.

All bets are off when the spy with the cyno gets into the system.
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#17 - 2013-08-13 16:12:39 UTC
Imagine a few stable WHs, scatered throughout New Eden`s empire space, leading into a new and unexplored galaxy!
Theresa Lamont
Rogue Fleet
#18 - 2013-08-13 16:16:09 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
Imagine a few stable WHs, scatered throughout New Eden`s empire space, leading into a new and unexplored galaxy!


That would be interesting !!
Ophelia Lemm
Mayan calendar
Russian Legion of Honor
#19 - 2013-08-13 16:57:29 UTC
While the idea itself sounds fun (if there is an option to use cyno in there), there is one thing I`m concerned about - rats.
Since capsuleers are the first to explore and exploit wh extensively, it is logical to assume that there is no "normal" imperial rats to be found in such an isolated system.

If so, what are you going to replace them with? (along with radar and ladar sites)

If not, how can you explain their presence here?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#20 - 2013-08-13 17:02:44 UTC
Ophelia Lemm wrote:
While the idea itself sounds fun (if there is an option to use cyno in there), there is one thing I`m concerned about - rats.
Since capsuleers are the first to explore and exploit wh extensively, it is logical to assume that there is no "normal" imperial rats to be found in such an isolated system.
....
If not, how can you explain their presence here?

Sansha rats baby. They are the kings of WH travel. Surely they are using these isolated real-space systems.
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