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Lee Saisima
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-08-13 11:57:58 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Actually I am an investor in CCP.
Excellent. Then you could leak some juicy internal documents that we can all revel in. Unless, of course, all you do is…
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I spend my money on a monthly subscription
…which doesn't make you an investor, just a customer. They're not spending your money because it's not yours any more. You gave it away, remember, and you got the agreed-upon service in return. The transaction is completed in full. So the money is theirs — both in terms of ownership and in terms of theirs to spend as they please.

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That's the dumbest reply to a comment I have heard in a long while and this is GD!
So I take it you haven't read the ridiculously clueless one where someone thinks that paying for a service (money in→service out) is the same as investing in a company (money in→more money out at a later time)?


Yeah, well you smell funny.
Lee Saisima
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-08-13 11:58:38 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:

3. I posted a ridiculous reply to a ridiculous post in the ridiculous thread of the forum so get with the program.


I'm just going to address this, because the rest of it is just childish snark. It's related, though, because this is what we call an "excuse". Not the good kind of excuse, the kind of excuse after you get called on a claim and shown its flaws.

The statement you made had zero flavour of ridicule. Perhaps it was a Poe, who but the defensive way in which you knee-jerked to my response tells me it wasn't.

Saying something stupid, getting called on it, and then defending it with "oh I was only joking" is all well and good when you have hindsight on your side, but to me you'll always be Lee "the problem is never me, it's everyone else" Saisima.

Mate.


The ramblings of an un-learned drunk. I was only joking btw. Cool
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-08-13 11:59:10 UTC
Lee Saisima wrote:
Tippia wrote:
As always when this topic comes up, the standard question arises: what is it to you how CCP chooses to spend its money?


That's like paying taxes to the Government, finding out they are making chemical weapons, and then turning round and saying to everyone "what is it to you how the Government spends its' money?"


@Saisima
Well next time choose a better government, you could also choose one spying on everyone and everything including your own phone camera when you're at home...your personal internet stuff etc...who wait....


@
And to answer Tippia wise question: it's no ones business what CCP does with THEIR money except for their government financial/tax services.

But sheep and dummies raised with a burger in one hand a cola in the other while watching TV have this strange feeling they have whatever power, commercials and nonsense TV shows makes them think so and the craziest thing about its that they believe it.
WTF is this stupid nonsense? - Who and how is that successful at making such dummies and idiots like this?

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#24 - 2013-08-13 11:59:14 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Marcus Caspius wrote:
With a 2 out of 2 failure rate from the last Major Projects list, CCP needs to seriously take stock on what and how they develop this product.
• Incarna was suppose to be the new hope to make EvE not so boring – CCP stuffed it up. here
• Dust 514 – while CCP won’t admit to it, most of the outside gaming community dismiss the viability of Dust 514. Even Sony Online Entertainment is piling money into Planetside 2, a direct competitor in the same genre. here & here

I am starting to wonder what shenanigans will CCP Brainless think up next in an attempt to make it interesting? What brainfart will my sub end up funding next?

Let the smack talk ensue...

I have to ask. Why do you call it a 2/2 fail from the last 2 major projects? You realise Incarna was 4 expansions ago right? Surely it would be a 2/6 failure?
Also, Incarnas failings were less to do with the update and more to do with the attitude and the idea of microtrans, and that was hastily corrected. Incarna also improved turret animation, fixed unbalanced jump bridge mechanics, improved the tutorial and added customisable API keys. I'd hardly call it a complete failure.

Microtransactions were in Eve before Incarna and none were removed after. When you say attitude, its pretty accurate.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2013-08-13 12:02:34 UTC
Lee Saisima wrote:
Yeah, well you smell funny.
It's the smell of “being right”. I understand that it may seem strange to you since you've probably never experienced it.

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I was only joking btw.
Not really, no.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-08-13 12:02:52 UTC
Lee Saisima wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:

3. I posted a ridiculous reply to a ridiculous post in the ridiculous thread of the forum so get with the program.


I'm just going to address this, because the rest of it is just childish snark. It's related, though, because this is what we call an "excuse". Not the good kind of excuse, the kind of excuse after you get called on a claim and shown its flaws.

The statement you made had zero flavour of ridicule. Perhaps it was a Poe, who but the defensive way in which you knee-jerked to my response tells me it wasn't.

Saying something stupid, getting called on it, and then defending it with "oh I was only joking" is all well and good when you have hindsight on your side, but to me you'll always be Lee "the problem is never me, it's everyone else" Saisima.

Mate.


The ramblings of an un-learned drunk. I was only joking btw. Cool


Way cool comeback dude. I bet the fifth graders think you're really witty.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lee Saisima
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-08-13 12:05:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Yeah, well you smell funny.
It's the smell of “being right”. I understand that it may seem strange to you since you've probably never experienced it.

Quote:
I was only joking btw.
Not really, no.


I lol'd. Just cuz you say something doesn't make you right. And you're wrong. Stop reading from Wikipedia and learn to think. Okay? Lol
Lee Saisima
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-08-13 12:05:49 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:

3. I posted a ridiculous reply to a ridiculous post in the ridiculous thread of the forum so get with the program.


I'm just going to address this, because the rest of it is just childish snark. It's related, though, because this is what we call an "excuse". Not the good kind of excuse, the kind of excuse after you get called on a claim and shown its flaws.

The statement you made had zero flavour of ridicule. Perhaps it was a Poe, who but the defensive way in which you knee-jerked to my response tells me it wasn't.

Saying something stupid, getting called on it, and then defending it with "oh I was only joking" is all well and good when you have hindsight on your side, but to me you'll always be Lee "the problem is never me, it's everyone else" Saisima.

Mate.


The ramblings of an un-learned drunk. I was only joking btw. Cool


Way cool comeback dude. I bet the fifth graders think you're really witty.


All the way up to the sixth-grade....dude Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2013-08-13 12:19:44 UTC
Lee Saisima wrote:
I lol'd. Just cuz you say something doesn't make you right.
No, being right is what makes me right. It's quite simple really.

Anyway, the fact remains, it's not really any of your business what CCP does with their money.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-08-13 12:20:57 UTC
Lee Saisima wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Yeah, well you smell funny.
It's the smell of “being right”. I understand that it may seem strange to you since you've probably never experienced it.

Quote:
I was only joking btw.
Not really, no.


I lol'd. Just cuz you say something doesn't make you right. And you're wrong. Stop reading from Wikipedia and learn to think. Okay? Lol


But she was right, and you were wrong. It's not based on who said what, it's based on facts. And what's with the Wikipedia hate? The only reason referencing it on a paper would be a bad idea is because it's not source material, but it does provide source material, and where it doesn't, the users and readers will question claims. Perhaps if you spent a bit more time there, you might learn something, like the difference between thinking thoughts derived from subjective beliefs, and thinking thoughts derived from factual bases.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lee Saisima
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-08-13 12:23:39 UTC
I concede defeat. Cry
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-08-13 12:24:52 UTC  |  Edited by: RomeStar
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Marcus Caspius wrote:
What brainfart will my sub end up funding next?

Let the smack talk ensue...


Okay, let's begin the smack talk with what you're paying for with your sub, and what happens to that money when it's no longer yours.

First of all, all you're paying for is to play EVE, whatever iteration it is in. Everything else is extra. Expansions are extra, they are free, and nowhere in the agreement to play EVE is there a clause that your money guarantees you those free expansions. CCP do not have to provide them, they do not have to work on them, they don't have to give us anything more than what we have right now.

Secondly, once you've handed over your money, what CCP chooses to do with it is entirely up to them, since it becomes their money. If they choose to fund DUST with that money, then they can fund DUST. If they choose to buy a pony and paint it bright pink, they can buy a pony and paint it bright pink. So long as the service that you were promised for the duration of your sub is provided, you have nothing to complain about.

The whole "but my sub money is funding something I don't want!" argument is fallacious, because once you've paid your sub for the game you are playing, it's no longer your sub money, making the "my sub money" part of the argument a false premise.

Before your money leaves your hand, it's entirely up to you to decide whether or not you're getting something worth parting you from that money. Complaining about it on the forums once that money leaves your hand serves no purpose.


Why is it when someone compalins about the failed endaeavors of CCP they always claim hey you dont pay for expansions do you. As a matter of fact we do its called a monthly sub or plex. Eves expansions are simply large patches that dont always work but if they had invested more time and resources on this expansions rather than (cough) DUST maybe we would have a better game. What if CCP invested all of EVE's sub capital into DUST or some other game what the hell do you think would happen to EVE? Oh it would crash and burn you say so yes we are paying for crap that is obviously worthless but I guess you dont see that do you. Keep your fanboy blinders on because what you dont know doesnt hurt you does it.

We are customers and when the company we purchase items from decides to expand usually quality/service drops and customers decide to go somewhere else for the same service they recieved before then that sir is a failed business. That business will usually see the light and go back too its roots of what made it a quality company.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-08-13 12:38:23 UTC
RomeStar wrote:


Why is it when someone compalins about the failed endaeavors of CCP they always claim hey you dont pay for expansions do you. As a matter of fact we do its called a monthly sub or plex.


No, we don't, and I've already explained this. The game is the service you are provided. Expansions are provided at CCP's discretion.

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Eves expansions are simply large patches that dont always work but if they had invested more time and resources on this expansions rather than (cough) DUST maybe we would have a better game.


Name me one other high-end game that adds content free of charge. Tell me, how much do you think the up-coming sandbox expansion for State of Decay is going to cost on Xbox Live?

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What if CCP invested all of EVE's sub capital into DUST or some other game what the hell do you think would happen to EVE? Oh it would crash and burn you say so yes we are paying for crap that is obviously worthless but I guess you dont see that do you. Keep your fanboy blinders on because what you dont know doesnt hurt you does it.


You're confusing "what if" with "what is", and in that regard, you're merely speculating. We don't know what would happen because it hasn't happened.

Here's what I'm seeing. You complaining about not getting enough free stuff because you think you're entitled to it based on the fact that you pay a monthly subscription. You're not. What you pay for is the ability to log on on a monthly basis. This isn't fanboy-ism, which I note is the go-to invective of the "I'm entitled" crowd when someone disagrees with them and explains in very precise terms why they are disagreeing. You can sling invectives around all you want, though, but it won't change the fact. Once that money leaves your hands in exchange for the service provided, it is no longer yours to decide its fate.

Tell you what. You go find me the part of the agreement where it says that your money entitles you to free expansions and additional content, and that you can tell CCP how they can and cannot spend it after it has been exchanged for the service, and then I'll consider you grown up enough to know what you're talking about. Keep calling people names, though, and all you are is another 12 year old who thinks the town owes them a skate park for doing nothing.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#34 - 2013-08-13 12:39:04 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Microtransactions were in Eve before Incarna and none were removed after. When you say attitude, its pretty accurate.

Well yeah, but the NEX Store was implemented with Incarna wasn't it? And the idea of non-vanity items popped into their heads. But yeah, that's mostly their attitude. And that's been fixed (sorta)! Go CCP go!

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-08-13 12:46:47 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
RomeStar wrote:


Why is it when someone compalins about the failed endaeavors of CCP they always claim hey you dont pay for expansions do you. As a matter of fact we do its called a monthly sub or plex.


No, we don't, and I've already explained this. The game is the service you are provided. Expansions are provided at CCP's discretion.

Quote:
Eves expansions are simply large patches that dont always work but if they had invested more time and resources on this expansions rather than (cough) DUST maybe we would have a better game.


Name me one other high-end game that adds content free of charge. Tell me, how much do you think the up-coming sandbox expansion for State of Decay is going to cost on Xbox Live?

Quote:
What if CCP invested all of EVE's sub capital into DUST or some other game what the hell do you think would happen to EVE? Oh it would crash and burn you say so yes we are paying for crap that is obviously worthless but I guess you dont see that do you. Keep your fanboy blinders on because what you dont know doesnt hurt you does it.


You're confusing "what if" with "what is", and in that regard, you're merely speculating. We don't know what would happen because it hasn't happened.

Here's what I'm seeing. You complaining about not getting enough free stuff because you think you're entitled to it based on the fact that you pay a monthly subscription. You're not. What you pay for is the ability to log on on a monthly basis. This isn't fanboy-ism, which I note is the go-to invective of the "I'm entitled" crowd when someone disagrees with them and explains in very precise terms why they are disagreeing. You can sling invectives around all you want, though, but it won't change the fact. Once that money leaves your hands in exchange for the service provided, it is no longer yours to decide its fate.

Tell you what. You go find me the part of the agreement where it says that your money entitles you to free expansions and additional content, and that you can tell CCP how they can and cannot spend it after it has been exchanged for the service, and then I'll consider you grown up enough to know what you're talking about. Keep calling people names, though, and all you are is another 12 year old who thinks the town owes them a skate park for doing nothing.


You want another game that delivers expansions for free thats easy I play it every night its called World of Tanks and yes its F2P. FYI I am not compalining about not getting free stuff but if that is your mindset then go with it. What I was trying to explain is that what it looks like to me is CCP has made a good ammount of cash on EVE and have decided not to put a good portion of those profits back into the game that made them rich, instead they are gambling with the proceeds on failed endeavors which in hindsight should have been avoided. If you dont agree and think DUST is the end all be all game of games then you sir have your head up your ass, no offense if it actually is :)

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Iskander Phoenix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-08-13 12:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Iskander Phoenix
Lee Saisima wrote:
Tippia wrote:
As always when this topic comes up, the standard question arises: what is it to you how CCP chooses to spend its money?


That's like paying taxes to the Government, finding out they are making chemical weapons, and then turning round and saying to everyone "what is it to you how the Government spends its' money?"




Let's try and have some perspective here. Remember we are talking about an Internet spaceship game we all play where despite having a 95% male population the toons are 50% female. Lets try and not make silly comparisons to actuAlly very serious things like the development of chemical weapons please.
Lee Saisima
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-08-13 13:26:06 UTC
Iskander Phoenix wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Tippia wrote:
As always when this topic comes up, the standard question arises: what is it to you how CCP chooses to spend its money?


That's like paying taxes to the Government, finding out they are making chemical weapons, and then turning round and saying to everyone "what is it to you how the Government spends its' money?"




Let's try and have some perspective here. Remember we are talking about an Internet spaceship game we all play where despite having a 95% male population the toons are 50% female. Lets try and not make silly comparisons to actuAlly very serious things like the development of chemical weapons please.


Internet spaceships is serious business please.
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#38 - 2013-08-13 13:46:19 UTC
I dare any CCP employee to come in this thread and tell its paying subscribers that its not their damn business how CCP spends the money they make, to upgrade their product.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#39 - 2013-08-13 13:53:17 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Microtransactions were in Eve before Incarna and none were removed after. When you say attitude, its pretty accurate.

Well yeah, but the NEX Store was implemented with Incarna wasn't it? And the idea of non-vanity items popped into their heads. But yeah, that's mostly their attitude. And that's been fixed (sorta)! Go CCP go!


Mostly players though as nothing regarding MT was actually changed since then.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Na Und
Galactronics
#40 - 2013-08-13 13:58:22 UTC
Lee Saisima wrote:
Tippia wrote:
As always when this topic comes up, the standard question arises: what is it to you how CCP chooses to spend its money?


That's like paying taxes to the Government, finding out they are making chemical weapons, and then turning round and saying to everyone "what is it to you how the Government spends its' money?"


I missed the part in the EULA where CCP claims the right to take my house or throw me in jail if I don't pay my sub.