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CCP, what is your planned order of changing ship class stats

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#41 - 2013-08-10 18:58:37 UTC
I wanna see 2 marauders for each faction showcasing different weapon systems

Amarr - lasers and missiles
Caldari missiles and rails
Gallente rails and drones
Minmatar Proj and Missiles (or dones to balance it)

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Cade Windstalker
#42 - 2013-08-10 19:02:14 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I wanna see 2 marauders for each faction showcasing different weapon systems

Amarr - lasers and missiles
Caldari missiles and rails
Gallente rails and drones
Minmatar Proj and Missiles (or dones to balance it)


Like, except that the way things are going Amarr should get the drone-boat. They're kind of in a weird place with the whole missiles and drones and lasers, oh-my! thing going on. Blame the Khanid =P
Novah Soul
#43 - 2013-08-10 20:51:59 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I wanna see 2 marauders for each faction showcasing different weapon systems

Amarr - lasers and missiles
Caldari missiles and rails
Gallente rails and drones
Minmatar Proj and Missiles (or dones to balance it)


OMG This plz ^^

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#44 - 2013-08-10 21:01:21 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
I wanna see 2 marauders for each faction showcasing different weapon systems

Amarr - lasers and missiles
Caldari missiles and rails
Gallente rails and drones
Minmatar Proj and Missiles (or dones to balance it)


Like, except that the way things are going Amarr should get the drone-boat. They're kind of in a weird place with the whole missiles and drones and lasers, oh-my! thing going on. Blame the Khanid =P


YOU'RE NOT DENYING ME MY TORPEDO ABBADON!

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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-08-10 21:17:41 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
I wanna see 2 marauders for each faction showcasing different weapon systems

Amarr - lasers and missiles
Caldari missiles and rails
Gallente rails and drones
Minmatar Proj and Missiles (or dones to balance it)


Like, except that the way things are going Amarr should get the drone-boat. They're kind of in a weird place with the whole missiles and drones and lasers, oh-my! thing going on. Blame the Khanid =P


YOU'RE NOT DENYING ME MY TORPEDO ABBADON!


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Cade Windstalker
#46 - 2013-08-10 21:27:21 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
I wanna see 2 marauders for each faction showcasing different weapon systems

Amarr - lasers and missiles
Caldari missiles and rails
Gallente rails and drones
Minmatar Proj and Missiles (or dones to balance it)


Like, except that the way things are going Amarr should get the drone-boat. They're kind of in a weird place with the whole missiles and drones and lasers, oh-my! thing going on. Blame the Khanid =P


YOU'RE NOT DENYING ME MY TORPEDO ABBADON!


Of course not, that would be CCP's job =P
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#47 - 2013-08-10 21:27:31 UTC
Also
-CreoDron Hyperion
-Thukker Maelstrom
-Ishkone Rokh

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-08-10 21:55:49 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Who actually cares about marauders? Stuff should be done in order of importance.

Maybe someone would care about them if they were made not ****.
Cade Windstalker
#49 - 2013-08-12 00:00:42 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Who actually cares about marauders? Stuff should be done in order of importance.

Maybe someone would care about them if they were made not ****.


I for one care about them a great deal. I love the idea of the Kronus, but hate that it's always going to be referred to as the Vindicator's younger brother the way things are right now. It's arguably better for missions thanks to the resists profile, needing to fit fewer guns, and the local-repair bonus but the Vindicator still does a good bit more damage and has better sensor strength and lock time, plus the same web bonus.

It's kind of a testament to the state of Marauders that half the time I bring up a Kronus for armor incursions I have to inform someone that it has the same web-bonus as the Vindi.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#50 - 2013-08-12 03:39:30 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Who actually cares about marauders? Stuff should be done in order of importance.

Maybe someone would care about them if they were made not ****.


I for one care about them a great deal. I love the idea of the Kronus, but hate that it's always going to be referred to as the Vindicator's younger brother the way things are right now. It's arguably better for missions thanks to the resists profile, needing to fit fewer guns, and the local-repair bonus but the Vindicator still does a good bit more damage and has better sensor strength and lock time, plus the same web bonus.

It's kind of a testament to the state of Marauders that half the time I bring up a Kronus for armor incursions I have to inform someone that it has the same web-bonus as the Vindi.


Many people in Incursions have not

a: Done their research with EFT or pytfa, or actually used either ship.
b. Just mouth bad information they see in the basic channels.

Bottom line, if CCP is reading this, the Marauders need a better scan res, possibly better tracking (actually varies ship by ship), and maybe about 5% more raw shield or armour, whatever their base protection is.

I realize the ship was designed, or has been expected to operate at least for the last few years, as a solo mission runner.
But it has certainly has found a different niche, and I am not talking about the AT. Any subcap that has a base cost of 900 M to a billion better have one heluva set of bonuses to be involved in heavy PvP, and the Marauder does not, not likely will not, have that role in the future.
Cade Windstalker
#51 - 2013-08-12 11:03:12 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Many people in Incursions have not

a: Done their research with EFT or pytfa, or actually used either ship.
b. Just mouth bad information they see in the basic channels.

Bottom line, if CCP is reading this, the Marauders need a better scan res, possibly better tracking (actually varies ship by ship), and maybe about 5% more raw shield or armour, whatever their base protection is.

I realize the ship was designed, or has been expected to operate at least for the last few years, as a solo mission runner.
But it has certainly has found a different niche, and I am not talking about the AT. Any subcap that has a base cost of 900 M to a billion better have one heluva set of bonuses to be involved in heavy PvP, and the Marauder does not, not likely will not, have that role in the future.


There's certainly no shortage of people who haven't done their homework, but I've actually worked up the fits and at least for incursions the Kronus is about 12-20% worse than the Vindi depending on site.

In terms of missions the Kronus is probably better in some due to better capacitor management thanks to fewer guns but the Vindi puts out more damage so for a high end mission fit the Vindi will cost about the same but perform better due to higher damage.

As for PvP, we've seen time and again that if you make something good enough someone will field a fleet of them. We've started to see various Navy ships used in Null, never mind the early T3 fleets when each ship was half a billion each plus fitting and the SP loss when it blew up.

Black-ops gangs have been a thing for a while now too.

I'm not saying I want Maurauders to be OMG amazing in PvP, I'd just like them to be top of the heap somewhere even if they're not terribly cost effective.
VanKenMar
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-08-12 11:24:31 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Who actually cares about marauders? Stuff should be done in order of importance.

Maybe someone would care about them if they were made not ****.


Same with PHANTASM.. Dev`s dont care about this ship..nobodys flys this ship..answer is up there! I am starting to think that Devs cares only of Big Alliances and fleet ships, forgets of true warriors who have all my respect, to fight everywhere, against everyone. Null is full of great Pilots, not a "F1" give them some love and ships to fight, do not lock them into the "Cynabal Box", make Null more diversified. We dont want to be all the same like Mega Alliances!

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Tahna Rouspel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-08-13 10:35:52 UTC
What about the Deep Space Transport? Don't forget those!
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-08-13 10:43:07 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
But we also want to fix some of the Tech2 manufacturers, like Roden Shipyards.


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Carrelle Rouppon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-08-13 11:43:59 UTC
Marauders in their current state are ignorable, you can get better stats from Navy ships.

I approve of the balancing order!

Without operations like mine it would be impossible for certain Alliances to conduct a respectable war. There are three basic types of arms deal: white, being legal, black, being illegal, and my personal favorite, gray.

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#56 - 2013-08-14 14:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Freelancer117
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

"Which ship should we look at next?"

  1. Marauders
  2. Black Ops
  3. Nerf bloodknight2's Nightmare (only his, no one else).
  4. Pirate ships
  5. New ships
  6. Tech3 cruisers
  7. EAFs



When you rebalance the tech 3 ships can you please ask the art department to help along,
tech3 could be more then just tech 1 or tech 2 if it gets moving ship parts for visual effects.

Like the Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers can maybe extends its engine pylons when warping.
And look a lot more like the back of a Starship Trooper spaceship

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Cade Windstalker
#57 - 2013-08-15 05:24:17 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

"Which ship should we look at next?"

  1. Marauders
  2. Black Ops
  3. Nerf bloodknight2's Nightmare (only his, no one else).
  4. Pirate ships
  5. New ships
  6. Tech3 cruisers
  7. EAFs



When you rebalance the tech 3 ships can you please ask the art department to help along,
tech3 could be more then just tech 1 or tech 2 if it gets moving ship parts for visual effects.

Like the Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers can maybe extends its engine pylons when warping.
And look a lot more like the back of a Starship Trooper spaceship


This has nothing to do with balancing, that's up to the art department but given that T3 ships are already pretty unique and were done only a short while ago I kind of doubt they're first on the list for an art update.
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#58 - 2013-08-15 05:32:43 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
But we also want to fix some of the Tech2 manufacturers, like Roden Shipyards.


*Starts humping your leg uncontrollably*
As long as he converts the Nemesis to Roden since, COME ON! IT IS A MISSILE SHIP FFS!--you can do whatever you like to him.....as long as Nemesis wears beautiful Roden colors....

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2013-08-15 05:53:48 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
But we also want to fix some of the Tech2 manufacturers, like Roden Shipyards, which aren't great at all (mix of hybrids and missiles, bleargh).
*cough*
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#60 - 2013-08-15 06:02:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
But we also want to fix some of the Tech2 manufacturers, like Roden Shipyards, which aren't great at all (mix of hybrids and missiles, bleargh).
*cough*


How is that different to a drake or prophecy?

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