Player Features and Ideas Discussion

GAS MINING:

Gas Sites can be similarly reorganized by total volume of a random set of 3 gases.

Gas Re-Classification:
[P] C50 (1m3)
[P] C60 (1m3)
[P] C70 (1m3)

[F] C72 (2m3)
[F] C84 (2m3)
[F] C28 (2m3)

[C] C32 (5m3)
[C] C320 (5m3)
[C] C540 (10m3)

Gas Sites:
--(PERIMETER)
Barren -- (Volume: 5,000m3 | Clouds: P / P / PF)
Token --- (Volume: 7,500m3 | Clouds: P / P / F)
Minor ---- (Volume: 10,000m3 | Clouds: P / PF / F)

--(FRONTIER)
Ordinary -- (Volume: 15,000m3 | Clouds: P / F / F)
Sizeable -- (Volume: 20,000m3 | Clouds: PF / F / FC)
Bountiful -- (Volume: 25,000m3 | Clouds: F / F / C)

--(CORE)
Vast ------------- (Volume: 35,000m3 | Clouds: F / FC / C)
Vital ------------- (Volume: 45,000m3 | Clouds: F / C / C)
Instrumental -- (Volume: 55,000m3 | Clouds: FC / C / C)

Every Gas Site would have 3 clouds (up from 2) of gas types pulled from their respective categories totaling the specified volume. For example, a Token Perimeter Reservoir would be guaranteed to contain 2 Perimeter Clouds (C50, C60 or C70) while the 3rd could be Perimeter(C50, C60 or C70) or Frontier (C72, C84 or C28).

The upgrade chance and total volume would depend on the WH the site spawned in. A C2 Sizeable Frontier Reservoir would have <20km3 leaning towards P/F/F clouds while the C5 version would have >20km3 with predominantly F/F/C clouds.

Players would have a reason to check Gas Sites for cloud spawns whereas now the lower end sites are often ignored. Variability encourages players to seek out better "rolled" sites leading to more chances for PvP.


ORE MINING:

The same mentality carries over to Ore Sites but requires more drastic changes given the dismal state of WH Mining (read: don't bother). The best WH ores are worth less for your time than the average gases, are significantly harder to make use of and are less safe to mine given Gas Sites are sigs and Ore Sites are now anomalies.

Revert Ore Sites to signatures!

Alternatively, give Procurers 1 base stab and Skiffs 2 base stabs to allow miners to counter 3 point faction scrams. There currently isn't a reason to use more than 1 stab for long points given that most WH pilots looking to gank miners will have the faction scrams for Ventures. Procurers will counter T2 scrams with a single Stab while Skiffs counter faction scrams with a single stab. Skiffs (and Exhumers in general) are otherwise wasteful to use now that belts are anomalies.

After that, completely reorganize site classifications. It doesn't make sense to have six Core sites but only four total Perimeter and Frontier sites.

Ore Re-Classification:
[P] Ordinary (Highsec)
[P] Common (Lowsec)
[P] Unexceptional (Nullsec)

[F] Average (Highsec)
[F] Isolated (Lowsec)
[F] Uncommon (Nullsec)

[C] Infrequent (Highsec)
[C] Unusual (Lowsec)
[C] Exceptional (Nullsec)

[MOD] Rarified (+5% yield)

Ore Sites:
--(PERIMETER)
Ordinary ---------- (Volume: 1,500,000m3 | +10% HS)
Common --------- (Volume: 2,000,000m3 | +5% HS, +10% LS)
Unexceptional -- (Volume: 2,500,000m3 | +5% HS, +5% LS, +10% NS)

--(FRONTIER)
Average ------- (Volume: 4,500,000m3 | +10% HS, +5% LS)
Isolated ------- (Volume: 6,000,000m3 | +5% HS, +10% LS, +5% NS)
Uncommon -- (Volume: 7,500,000m3 | +5% HS, +5% LS, +10% NS)

--(CORE)
Infrequent ----- (Volume: 10,000,000m3 | +10% HS, +5% LS, +5% NS)
Unusual ------- (Volume: 12,500,000m3 | +5% HS, +10% LS, +5% NS)
Exceptional -- (Volume: 15,000,000m3 | +5% HS, +5% LS, +10% NS)

Each grouping of sites would have a HS, LS or NS "focused" belt wherein ores of the matching category would become high yield versions and comprise a larger portion of the total volume. This being relative to a more reasonable distrubituion of ore volumes (No more 1.5mil m3 of Spodumain with 50-200km3 of everything else). The relative spawn rates would create highsec belts more often than low/nullsec belts. Total belt volume would shift identically to Gas Sites.

This makes mining ops easier to plan as the current balance of minerals refined from WH belts is so incredibly skewed that you're always missing a large quantity of something (Trit/Pyerite mostly). You now have the option of seeking out belts focused on the ores you need. Additionally, Rarified is turned into a prefix like "Large" in k-space belts. Rather than affect the size of WH belts it increases the ore quality by 5%. This stacks on top of any existing quality increases (0->5%, 5->10%, 10->15%).

Support this by increasing the max refining efficiency inside a WH to 90%.

+5% Ore = 94.5%
+10% Ore = 99%
+15% Ore = 103.5%

Local refining is still worse than k-space, but it's not so crippling that it's worthless. Restricting +15% Ore to Rarified belts in WHs also encourages daytrippers to visit more frequently (PvP!), but doesn't render HS mining moot given the significant logistical requirements for moving it to k-space.

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Let me know what you think :)

That's fine, glad you approve :)

Would the C5 grade sites in the C4 as you propose be capable of escalating? If so then bringing Capitals to break Capitals running sites is no longer an option.

I very much like this idea

Bump for moar stuffs!

+1, good stuff Maynard!

+1.

Also:

1. random spawns of sleepers near wormholes

2. POS attack! Surely sleepers must be programmed to evade continual slaughter through retaliation?

So how about this, every week (or so) a sleeper unit attacks a POS in system. Week 1 is 1 sleeper, week 2 adds another..... week 50 has 50 sleepers of varying sizes attacking as one. By week 100, you're going to need a hell of a defence force, but you'll be making reasonable money from the wrecks.

Unless you man your defences, you can't camp in your wormhole carebearing away forever.

Once all the POSes are gone, the mechanic resets.

Thinking this through, you'd need to give the POS owner the option of when the attack will take place, so much like station timers, you'd have to give them the option of setting a time for the engagement. So, it goes like this:

day 1: corp receives a mail, "leave our system or be terminated"
corp dials in the day and time they want the engagement, from now to any time in the next 6 days, or the pack up their stuff and move if so inclined.
day n: sleepers attack, but they bring with them a module that disables the strontium in the tower.

Stront is only there to time the defence of a tower, and in this case the players have already been given the option to control the timing.

While many might recoil in horror at this idea, I would welcome it. It would force our corporation to practice POS defence while having something tangible to lose.

Hmm, if we want more carebears in wormholes how about this:

Every time someone warps, there is a small chance (0.001%) of a mis-warp and they end up in a wormhole until the space-time continuum straightens itself out and a 'return' hole appears in the same spot 10 minutes later.

All the carebear has to do is survive for 10 minutes...

:-)))

the next doctrine I'm going to get off the ground is "roaming sanctum stealing".
take a gang of cruisers with t1 logi into 0-sec and WH space and roam around cleaning up all the anoms and combat sites.

if we get engaged, then we go hot.

I use this principle in wormholes and it works really well. you get pvp with a profit.

pve can be fun, if you add a little spice and even the odds...

coming?

I definitely need more reasons to mash rocks in my life, +1!