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About the Eos' model

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GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#561 - 2013-08-11 21:58:17 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.

I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.

So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.



Fozzie, how possible would be it to allow for the option of selecting the racial BC hull to use for the T2 output? Myrmidon hull in, vertical Eos out. It would make a nice niche industry - pimping your ride business.
Petrov Kreigt
Magister Mortalis.
#562 - 2013-08-11 22:36:27 UTC
Myrm EOS is cool, i could get behind that... Even though its the fleet command ship and the only one in these proposed changes.

Sleipnir - Hell no
Absolution - Even more hell no
Nighthawk - Oh hell hell hell no.
Petrov Kreigt
Magister Mortalis.
#563 - 2013-08-11 22:39:47 UTC
GetSirrus wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.

I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.

So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.



Fozzie, how possible would be it to allow for the option of selecting the racial BC hull to use for the T2 output? Myrmidon hull in, vertical Eos out. It would make a nice niche industry - pimping your ride business.



I like this idea. The people wanting change get what they want, and the people against it get what they want.

A command ship is a modified BC hull with warfare modules etc etc... so why not give the ability to modify either of the 2 BC hulls to create a command ship.
Seagrey Raholan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#564 - 2013-08-12 01:57:16 UTC
I think changing the hulls of the command ships is a great idea, I also think the idea of all T2 ships looking different someday, is an even better idea and really hope this happens. Even maybe looking completely different?? but can't have everything :)
Serena Stormrunner
Doomheim
#565 - 2013-08-12 05:02:16 UTC
DJWiggles wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:



  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull




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    Seolfor
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #566 - 2013-08-12 05:41:59 UTC
    Um, No - the Nighthawk, to me, is the sexiest ship in EvE.

    I fly it, with far better alternatives available, only cause i cant stop admiring its curves and super paint combo.

    I cant imagine Sleipnir and Absolution enthusiasts would like this either.

    I still see the merit of this idea though.

    Now, maybe, they should add custom hulls as a feature in the winter xpack - Nighthawk, build either as a Drake or Ferox hull. Exact same stats, just looks different, depending on the BPC/BPO used.

    OR make them differ in stats, random e.g.

    reduce base hull bonus -5% HML/HAM Dmg,
    Nighthawk, using Drake Hull - +5% shield resist [makes it a 25% shield resist, -5% Dmg version NHawk]
    Nighthawk, using Ferox Hull - +5% Launcher Dmg [ie makes it the 'original' post balance NHawk stats]


    The meta i guess plays like with T3s i.e. look at it and know what youre likely fighting.
    Balzac Legazou
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #567 - 2013-08-12 06:31:21 UTC
    While I like the idea of having more distinctive hulls for each ship, I can't say I find the Myrmidon very suited to a fleet command ship role. It just doesn't look tough enough. I'd rather keep the Eos as is and make the Astarte look a bit more like the Talos, for example. I'd also keep the Sleipnir as is and change the Claymore instead.

    Ideally they should all have unique hulls (even if those are inspired by T1 BC hulls) and not just new textures, anyway.
    Shade Alidiana
    PROSPERO Corporation
    #568 - 2013-08-12 11:57:40 UTC
    Switchable paintjobs, why not? Or just really more different hulls. Right now I don't see too much choice if I want to fill a special role. Specialisation could be good but it forces some decisions, like I don't train CS to high level and buy a sliepnir because I hate Cyclone-based hulls and boundless creations paintjobs, although I appreciate its capabilities. Other people trained sliepnir for what it is (probably).
    Same for nighthawk: I like it in ferox hull, but still want something like t2 drake.

    What about variations during invention? Choosing what corp to pick for assistance (through RDbs) to get different stats and paintjob. This will create lots of issues, though, so won't happen... But still.
    Markku Laaksonen
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #569 - 2013-08-13 04:29:09 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • In case I haven't posted before, I would support this.

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    Syndicate Enterprise
    Sigma Grindset
    #570 - 2013-08-13 05:00:55 UTC
    I support the hull changes.
    JetCord
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #571 - 2013-08-13 05:14:50 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    if you gonna use the other BC as their T2 base - well industrialist/ inventor have to adjust our production line .

    consider this - some racial BC model is being use to make the navy BC - in term of market this will make certain BPC popular than the other and i do consider this to be a direct effect on gameplay and not just fluff stuff

    while i do like the hurricane model to be the new sleip i kinda grow fond on the cyclone model

    anyway that is my 2 cent
    Alystin Wyndyl
    Night's Shadows
    #572 - 2013-08-13 06:42:23 UTC
    I support the hull changes. Do it!
    Keith Planck
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #573 - 2013-08-13 06:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
    I fully support this because of variety is the spice of life, there are always going to be players that like model X over model Y.

    But having a choice between X and Y is always better then no choice at all.

    (Also with the disappointment that is the navy hurricane's paint job I would love a hurricane hull to the the strongest ship in the game :P)

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    Keith Planck
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #574 - 2013-08-13 06:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
    GetSirrus wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.

    I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.

    So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.



    Fozzie, how possible would be it to allow for the option of selecting the racial BC hull to use for the T2 output? Myrmidon hull in, vertical Eos out. It would make a nice niche industry - pimping your ride business.


    Not likely at all. The amount of time it would take to program/implement that and the strain it would put on local clients, isn't worth an aesthetic change. The thing that makes the changes ccp suggest so easy is that the models are already made, in game and on clients a long with the textures.

    THAT BEING SAID

    If logos or ship customization ever comes out, it will prob piggyback off the current T3 subsystem swapping.

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    Syrias Bizniz
    some random local shitlords
    #575 - 2013-08-13 16:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
    I would likje to propose that the Damnation will be on the Harbinger, giving it some sweet, sweet Khanid Colors.

    Why?


    Because F#CK You, that's why!

    No, haha, not really, but because of the following:


    Punisher ---> Maller ---> Harbinger ---> Abaddon

    Laser dmg + Resistances, all of them.

    Punisher has a Missile-Based Tech 2 Platform, the Vengeance.
    Maller has a Missile-based Tech 2 Platform, the Sacrilege.
    There is a Tech 2 Battlecruiser which is Missile based, but has a Prophecy Model because ALL Tech 2 BCs are based on former Tier 1 BC.


    Which also leads up to one question.

    Will there be a Khanid-Abaddon once the Blackops branch gets split up into a more logistics, support orientated, and a more combat orientated roll?


    I hope so.


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    Grog Barrel
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #576 - 2013-08-18 02:12:27 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE.


    Well yeah, the slot layout of your beloved pixels made that quite clear from the very beginning, compared to the other FCS hulls.
    Elarath
    A Blessed Bean
    Pandemic Horde
    #577 - 2013-08-25 11:18:11 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.



  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull




    • YES! NOW!
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #578 - 2013-08-25 17:02:55 UTC
    Grog Barrel wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE.


    Well yeah, the slot layout of your beloved pixels made that quite clear from the very beginning, compared to the other FCS hulls.


    perhaps that's why he wouldn't change the sleipnir to cane layout armour link ship

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

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    Cade Windstalker
    #579 - 2013-08-25 17:57:48 UTC
    Balzac Legazou wrote:
    While I like the idea of having more distinctive hulls for each ship, I can't say I find the Myrmidon very suited to a fleet command ship role. It just doesn't look tough enough. I'd rather keep the Eos as is and make the Astarte look a bit more like the Talos, for example. I'd also keep the Sleipnir as is and change the Claymore instead.

    Ideally they should all have unique hulls (even if those are inspired by T1 BC hulls) and not just new textures, anyway.


    This is completely moot since the Command Ship roles are going away with 1.1. Check the Command Ship changes thread.
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    Black Lotus Industrial
    #580 - 2013-08-25 19:27:23 UTC
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