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Blue on blue attacks - Diana Kim, Pyre Falcon, The Republic, The Federation

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2013-08-12 23:54:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
You call your insults and all this bullshit as "attributes"?
Are you really that high?
Well, I thought you were just making up insults, but wait... do you really believe in what you were saying about me?!

Because they are all demonstrably true.

Diana Kim wrote:
What?...

I can't tell whether you're feigning ignorance to your own faults in a naive and ill-advised attempt to appear innocent or whether you genuinely suffer from perceptional defects sufficient to render you unable to make sound self-judgement. I'm going to assume the latter because I don't think even you're stupid enough to think that the former would actually work.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#262 - 2013-08-13 00:08:03 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Again you kind of prove my point. You're just throwing (entirely inaccurate) racial slurs without providing any counterarguments.

You've repeatedly and shameleslsy declared loyalty to a citizen of the State who has repeatedly and shamelessly acted against the interests of the Caldari people to advance his own agenda, and who has been declared a traitor by every legitimate authority within the State. You have subsequently denounced the CEP, the one and only legitimate governing body of the State, Ishukone, who, due to being the most intelligent and least politically blind corporation in the State were the only reason the State maintains even partial control of Caldari Prime and finally, the other megacorporations, who have been doing their level best to drag the State back from the financial abyss Heth plummeted it into. You have threatened, and in more than one case engaged in violence against legitimate, honourable State loyalists such as Verin Hakatain, Pieter Tuulinen and the Pyre-Falcon Combine. You have advocated for nationalisation of the State's industries which runs directly contrary to the spirit of the nation.

You have repeatedly stated your eagerness to receive and follow orders from a man who has been named traitor and stripped of his misused powers by not only every legitimate organisation in the State. He has repeatedly declared his intention to lead a second invasion of Caldari Prime, which would not only be illegal by international law, it would also violate treaties that the other corporations have signed, which would hurt the State. You have pledged support to the cause of genocide, which violates not only international law but the very founding principles upon which the State was based.

If you pledge loyalty to a traitor - which is inarguably what Heth is - you are also a traitor.

You are a traitor.

Counterargument to WHAT?
To deluded lies, groundless assumptions, shameless insults and useless ranting like THIS?!
Spare me.

And go to hell.



Hon, there's two appropriate ways to respond to "deluded lies and groundless assumptions."

1) Pose a counterargument as to why those "lies" and "assumptions" are incorrect, preferably in as calm and thought out a manner as you can manage.

2) Ignore them completely on the grounds that they are so "deluded" and "groundless" that they will fail to accomplish anything because people are, hopefully, smart enough to recognize them as deluded and groundless.

The first can lead to semi-intelligent and sometimes surprisingly pleasant discourse. The latter prevents you from making a fool of yourself.

As you are not following either method, well, I would think you can figure out where I'm going with this, hon.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#263 - 2013-08-13 00:10:37 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I will kill you for such comparison.

I agree that such a comparison is completely unwarranted. Ms. Gesakaarin is far too honourable a person to be compared to you.

You should be compared to Admiral Eturer, the Gallentean traitor admiral.



You know, the more I think about it, and the more I read of Ms. Kim's responses, I think you're right. My comparison was quite unfair to Ms. Gesakaarin. She may have a knack for antagonism, but she is starting to seem like a breath of fresh air next to Ms. Kim.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#264 - 2013-08-13 00:12:53 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I will kill you for such comparison.

I agree that such a comparison is completely unwarranted. Ms. Gesakaarin is far too honourable a person to be compared to you.

You should be compared to Admiral Eturer, the Gallentean traitor admiral.



You know, the more I think about it, and the more I read of Ms. Kim's responses, I think you're right. My comparison was quite unfair to Ms. Gesakaarin. She may have a knack for antagonism, but she is starting to seem like a breath of fresh air next to Ms. Kim.


I'm beginning to lose track of which of my kirjuun you're mad at now, Minmatart.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#265 - 2013-08-13 00:21:32 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
You call your insults and all this bullshit as "attributes"?
Are you really that high?
Well, I thought you were just making up insults, but wait... do you really believe in what you were saying about me?!

Because they are all demonstrably true.

"Demonstrably" true... demonstrable by what? By your inflamed brain?...
I follow facts, not your hallucinations, kid.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Diana Kim wrote:
What?...

I can't tell whether you're feigning ignorance to your own faults in a naive and ill-advised attempt to appear innocent or whether you genuinely suffer from perceptional defects sufficient to render you unable to make sound self-judgement. I'm going to assume the latter because I don't think even you're stupid enough to think that the former would actually work.

In fact, it was a polite form of saying "bullshit".
Applies to your new reply as well.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2013-08-13 00:23:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
"Demonstrably" true... demonstrable by what? By your inflamed brain?...
I follow facts, not your hallucinations, kid.

Fortunate, then, that all the things I've said are in fact demonstrable by facts.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#267 - 2013-08-13 00:24:26 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Katarina Musana wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I will kill you for such comparison.

I agree that such a comparison is completely unwarranted. Ms. Gesakaarin is far too honourable a person to be compared to you.

You should be compared to Admiral Eturer, the Gallentean traitor admiral.



You know, the more I think about it, and the more I read of Ms. Kim's responses, I think you're right. My comparison was quite unfair to Ms. Gesakaarin. She may have a knack for antagonism, but she is starting to seem like a breath of fresh air next to Ms. Kim.


I'm beginning to lose track of which of my kirjuun you're mad at now, Minmatart.


Oh, I'm not mad at Ms. Gesakaarin, if that's what you mean. I simply don't like her. Don't tell her, though. I'm sure she'll be heartbroken.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#268 - 2013-08-13 00:28:04 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:


Hon, there's two appropriate ways to respond to "deluded lies and groundless assumptions."

1) Pose a counterargument as to why those "lies" and "assumptions" are incorrect, preferably in as calm and thought out a manner as you can manage.

I would waste all my life on counterargumenting his rants. All the time I see his replies, he comes with some sort of lie or insult. It is physically impossible to refute them faster than he can generate new.

Katarina Musana wrote:

2) Ignore them completely on the grounds that they are so "deluded" and "groundless" that they will fail to accomplish anything because people are, hopefully, smart enough to recognize them as deluded and groundless.

I would like to... but he mislead readers with his hallucinations. I have to put out that whatever he tells is a lie.

Katarina Musana wrote:

The first can lead to semi-intelligent and sometimes surprisingly pleasant discourse.

With a being who can only insult?... No, I don't believe it.

Katarina Musana wrote:

The latter prevents you from making a fool of yourself.

As you are not following either method, well, I would think you can figure out where I'm going with this, hon.

More likely I would make a fool of myself, if I will allow these people to speak lies about me without telling them that these are lies. Unfortunately, I can't get rid of them physically, so I just have to say it every time...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2013-08-13 01:07:02 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I would like to... but he mislead readers with his hallucinations. I have to put out that whatever he tells is a lie.

But it's quite evident no-one else on the IGS actually believes anything you say either. You're not actually rectifying anyone's view of you, and in fact, the damage control you're attempting actually damages people's respect of you even further.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#270 - 2013-08-13 01:25:57 UTC
It might help if she actually addressed the issues, rather than simply denying them loudly.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#271 - 2013-08-13 02:07:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

More likely I would make a fool of myself, if I will allow these people to speak lies about me without telling them that these are lies. Unfortunately, I can't get rid of them physically, so I just have to say it every time...


There's something my mother used to say that is advice everyone on the IGS, including myself, should probably follow more often.

"Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#272 - 2013-08-13 02:20:50 UTC
Nevermind.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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ISD Alliance
#273 - 2013-08-13 03:01:10 UTC
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#274 - 2013-08-13 06:47:04 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


I'm beginning to lose track of which of my kirjuun you're mad at now, Minmatart.


She does seem rather upset. Then again losing track might happen when your NeoCom browser is minimized by accident and you find yourself unable to respond as you wished.

And sweet Maker wept, is that an almost complimentary turn of phrase from Andreus Ixiris towards myself? My, my, what is this cluster coming to?

The Winds must truly have a sense of irony in having a dog like Kim being a path towards peace between State and Federation so long as it is continued to be agreed that the woman is a fool.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#275 - 2013-08-13 07:39:34 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


I'm beginning to lose track of which of my kirjuun you're mad at now, Minmatart.


She does seem rather upset. Then again losing track might happen when your NeoCom browser is minimized by accident and you find yourself unable to respond as you wished.

And sweet Maker wept, is that an almost complimentary turn of phrase from Andreus Ixiris towards myself? My, my, what is this cluster coming to?

The Winds must truly have a sense of irony in having a dog like Kim being a path towards peace between State and Federation so long as it is continued to be agreed that the woman is a fool.


It's like Nation. Nation's mere existence provides common ground for the rest of us to forge bonds over, because howevermuch we hate each other, Nation's worse.

...not that it always works out like that in practice.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#276 - 2013-08-13 11:16:53 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
And sweet Maker wept, is that an almost complimentary turn of phrase from Andreus Ixiris towards myself?

Almost complimentary? It was an unqualified compliment. I may think you're many things, but dishonourable certainly isn't one of them.

You're also not a genocidal traitor with severe projection issues, which is always a good thing.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#277 - 2013-08-13 11:59:26 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Almost complimentary? It was an unqualified compliment. I may think you're many things, but dishonourable certainly isn't one of them.

You're also not a genocidal traitor with severe projection issues, which is always a good thing.


Consider it a surprise on my part given our past exchanges here and elsewhere.

Although I wonder why you spare a degree of logic and intelligence with Kim when she's only capable of stating three things:

1. Traitor: Used for every Caldari who comments in public in a disagreement with her inane thoughts.

2. Gallentean: Used for every other person not Caldari who comments in public in a disagreement her inane thoughts.

3. This is why the Federation must be destroyed: An inane thought that, since it comes from Diana Kim, no one actually cares for.

Actually, "You are a Gallentean Traitor. This is why the Federation must be destroyed." is about the limit of her displayed intellectual capacity to anything said with actual reason.

Then again I suspect you along with I and many others no doubt derive a degree of pleasure in watching the public spectacle of their self-destruction. Fitting I think. The Provists' greatest enemy were always themselves for they were too foolish to realize how much the fools they actually were. A shame it took five years for the majority of Caldari citizens to realize the ranks of the CPD were drawn from unintelligent and worthless mediocrities like Diana Kim.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#278 - 2013-08-13 12:11:55 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Consider it a surprise on my part given our past exchanges here and elsewhere.

Surprises? I'm full of those.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Although I wonder why you spare a degree of logic and intelligence with Kim

The Principle of Charity. Always assume that an enemy knows what they're doing and why they're doing it, even against all possible evidence. This way, you'll never be caught off-guard if they do something intelligent. For example, not respecting the Principle of Charity is the main reason that hotdrop traps work - people assume that a single ship engaging a fleet is just flown by a stupid pilot. There may be a possibility, however slight, that Kim has a good reason to act like an Exile addict and to want us to think she's not capable of a higher level of discourse. In the event that that actually happens, I want to be the one saying "I told you so!" rather than the one saying "... what?!"

Also because, as you state later in your post, it's really funny.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
A shame it took five years for the majority of Caldari citizens to realize the ranks of the CPD were drawn from unintelligent and worthless mediocrities like Diana Kim.

Indeed. But we got Roden and Blaque, so it wasn't exactly a holiday over here either.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#279 - 2013-08-13 12:21:23 UTC
Nausiating. Can't we all just go back to hating each other?
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#280 - 2013-08-13 12:24:58 UTC
Anja Suorsa wrote:
Nausiating. Can't we all just go back to hating each other?


Oh you know me. My door is always open whenever my kirjuun are in need of hugs.

Kurilaivonen|Concern