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Lavabit shut down & Update : New Loophole on emails and phones

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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#21 - 2013-08-09 21:44:14 UTC
I heard, U$ cloud providers already suffer a customer drop of 10%. Profit will push back the U$ towards human rights again Twisted

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#22 - 2013-08-09 21:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:
I heard, U$ cloud providers already suffer a customer drop of 10%. Profit will push back the U$ towards human rights again Twisted

We don't care about abuse of US citizens humans rights so much as we do about surrendering intelligence to a rival economic power spying on our industrial secrets.

Besides, liberating the US would be hard work for one.....

baltec1 wrote:
Kirjava wrote:

Yea about that, methinks we are overreacting massively as we dispatched a task force with the flagship for "exercises" in the Med. Ugh


Thats aimed at another nation starting with an SBlink

But mostly because we have policed the med for the last 200 years and are rather good at keeping it a nice place.


Plausible deniability ^_^

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Mac Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-08-10 00:03:47 UTC
The internet is a crazy place. I don't see the ability for any one country to continue to harbor things services like lava bit for much longer. Sooner or later every developed nation will get on board with laws that infringe upon rights of our digital worlds. I like to think there is a solution to the problem but the more I think about it the more I realize their isn't. Even something as extreme as the idea of having a new country that was only a data center and bound by none of the laws of other countries would just get disconnected from the rest of the worlds internet. At the end of the day every government owns and/or oversees all digital transmissions in their country there is zero points of entry.

What the world and the internet truly needs is a way to connect to each other without the huge infrastructure that is required today.

Or maybe its the case of what the world needs is actual privacy over digital items the same way we have privacy for physical items we own. I don't see that ever happening without a fight.

In the mean time encryption is going to continue to rule the world, lets just hope it's as secure as we hope.

All of this is written from a person that has nothing to hide but values my liberties once provided to me at birth. The nothing to hide mindset is just crazy to me. It is something that has been bashed into peoples brains for years now, and it is just a common place mentality because people who don't understand technology think digital means insecure and not private. With any luck this mindset will slowly change and with it hopefully service providers put value in protecting our rights since our government(s) don't seem concerned with that any longer.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#24 - 2013-08-10 05:33:57 UTC
A solution dooes exist from a technical point of view I think. Akin to the Bitcoin chain processing, a massive decentralised encrypted email server. If everyone chipped I say 10gb of storage shared over a continued bittorrent with redundancy so each message was on thousands of computers to access over a tunneled ssl connection.

That makes sense to me on paper, make your own computer part of a massive decentralised effort. It would be slow, inefficient but it would be near impossible to kill.

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stoicfaux
#25 - 2013-08-10 12:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Mac Munoz wrote:

What the world and the internet truly needs is a way to connect to each other without the huge infrastructure that is required today.

Satellite. It's one way folks get info in repressive countries that have locked down the landline-communications infrastructure.

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Or maybe its the case of what the world needs is actual privacy over digital items the same way we have privacy for physical items we own. I don't see that ever happening without a fight.

Those laws already exist (both digital and physical) are being ignored and/or circumvented.

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In the mean time encryption is going to continue to rule the world, lets just hope it's as secure as we hope.

The NSA has a huge amount of brainpower in encryption and a ten billion dollar budget. There's concern that the NSA is way ahead of the civilian/public encryption industry. Then there's the problem that the NSA can just order server owners to give up keys. The NSA has already shown that they can set up "secret" rooms at your local telephone company to intercept traffic. Which you can use to intercept SSL.

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All of this is written from a person that has nothing to hide but values my liberties once provided to me at birth. The nothing to hide mindset is just crazy to me. It is something that has been bashed into peoples brains for years now, and it is just a common place mentality because people who don't understand technology think digital means insecure and not private. With any luck this mindset will slowly change and with it hopefully service providers put value in protecting our rights since our government(s) don't seem concerned with that any longer.

Heh. We have to tell kids nowadays not to post stupid stuff on facebook (or the internet in general) because the internet never forgets, which could cost them a job later in life.

Probably the worst case scenario is this book: Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent The premise is that there are so many laws, you're unknowingly breaking a few each day. With enough data mining the government can arrest you at will and force your compliance.

And given how power corrupts, if you assume that politicians have a minor scandal or two in their closets, whoever holds the keys to the NSA data mine potentially has the ability to control a huge number of elected representatives through blackmail and/or character assassination.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#26 - 2013-08-10 13:17:22 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
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And given how power corrupts, if you assume that politicians have a minor scandal or two in their closets, whoever holds the keys to the NSA data mine potentially has the ability to control a huge number of elected representatives through blackmail and/or character assassination.

Anthony Weiner?

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Hells Merc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-08-10 16:24:14 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The USA is more or less punching itself in the balls right now.


Don't judge us Evil



It's the favorite past time of the stupid. Generalization and putting people in box's
is easier than having to make informed comments.


Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2013-08-11 14:00:06 UTC
The New Yorker chimes in.............

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#29 - 2013-08-13 01:44:59 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
... Bitcoin chain processing, a massive decentralised encrypted email server. If everyone chipped I say 10gb of storage shared over a continued bittorrent wit... near impossible to kill.


Sounds like freenet to me. It's not ment to be fast but it will keep your data inside the net.
I guess transporting bitcoins or any other data should not be a big problem if speed is not an issue.

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Andrea Griffin
#30 - 2013-08-13 20:50:33 UTC
Anyone who is surprised hasn't been paying attention for the past 20 years (or more).
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