Player Features and Ideas Discussion

None of these cs's are. And if you do that then you are wasting a valuable mid, and even with that heavies don't have the damage projection you claim, you need to be on your target to web and scram your target or heavies will never be effective. And why make everything such a conformative blob of Internet space pixels, diversity is good, and my major point is the eos should not have a slot taken away when other ships are getting double 10% damage bonuses, the Astarte does more damage with no damage mods than the eos with a drone damage amp, so the current proposed eos is now 2 slots behind the Astarte and still not doing the same damage, and no I'm not sayon the Astarte is op, or the eos should have different bonuses
I like the current Astarte and the current eos bonuses, but the way they are you cannot gimp the eos by taking a slot away
The eos needs 5 mids and 7 lows to be an effective active armor tanker
Even with 5 mids any neuts will be sitting off your reps fairly easily
With 4 it will kill you flat out
If they intend on keeping the eos' slots the same (which I hope they don't...)
They would need to roll a second drone damage bonus in somewhere

It's pretty obvious where they see the eos, a close range small gang active tanked brawler
That's why they have it getting a bonus to heavies and not sentries or scout drones, and an active tanked bonus
But the current iteration is not effective at the moment

Your working from the misconception that you have to do your own web / scram.
This has not been the case for 10 years.

Berserkers whiping around the battle field at 2k/s onto team mate tackeled targets gives the EOS the ability to project significant damage while staying out of harms way.

I don't understand why you think the EOS is meant to be a brawler.
The Astarte is the brawler of the Gallente line.
Like you said diversity is good , why would both gallente ships be dedicated brawlers ?
The drone MWD bonus clearly indicates boosting projected damage not brawler damage.

The only reason it has lost a high slot is because it has gained damage from drones.
This is typical of all drone boats. all drone boats have fewer highs than non drone boats.

... for no good reason at all.

There used to be a point to this, many years ago when you were able to field more than 5 drones at once.

The size of drone bay (beyond 125m) was a factor in determining drone damage output. These days this is not the case. The extra drone bay size no longer means extra damage, just spare drones. Therefore in my view the dedicated drone ships need not suffer the loss of a high slot.

Drone battlecruisers have always lagged behind in the dps stakes, which makes them undesirable. This is not the case with the new cruisers. The the cruiser drone ships compete well on DPS with the turret versions.

Currently the EOS has been used even less than the astarte in pvp (read: only a fool would do so). It needs to be competitive, otherwise why waste the effort designing it? No-one will ever build one, let alone use it in combat.

Ahh, this is the part where we ignore Drone Interfacing, the skill that used to let you field more drones but was instead changed to make your drones more effective by the same amount at each level.



Yeah, I'd much rather they just removed the extra bay so I can have spare drones, and only gave me one set than having a bunch of spares just in case.

Hello guys,

overall its nice to see some changes on the lovely commandships BUT:

Why are you boosting the Field Command Ships so hard by giving them more resistances, armor or shield hp and more damage and the abylity to use gangmodules with bonuses too, in comparison to the Fleet Command Ships? They get like nothing...

Untill now i thought
Fleet Cs = strong fleet-boni and good tank
and
Field CS = High Damage and decent tank
The two ships are like equal with the changes, i really dont get it...

Why are u nerfing the gang modules so hard?

The eos does lose dps from having 3 or 4 links, but 1: if they are fielding that many links, their goal is tank and survivabily not dps
And 2: it has more damage to begin with and with 3 links they the Astarte does more dps still if my math is correct

Another note the ships that have -1 slot can compete with the standard ships in damage and tank potentials, they are balanced
The eos here is not balanced, therefor it needs another lowslot lot or better bonuses (this imbalance is from the double 10% damage bonuses) I would rather see another low

And yes diversity is good, which is why I wat a high end active armor tanked drone boat, which we don't have, only a myrm

And another note drones have worse damage application due to flight times of the drones than missiles, and with bersekers your damage is pretty bad, I can't recall the exact number of dps but ogre 2's do 475 dps and I think berserkers do between 375-400
Which even with the nice bonus and mids going to drone navigation modules, it still has poor damage projection from the very way drones work, there's a reason people used sentries, and since ccp wants this ship as a brawler they didn't gve the sentries the bonus they need to be effective and have good damage projection

Which I go back to close range brawler, which is sub par, which is not balanced

I go back to 5/5/7 slot layout, which is what an active armor brawler needs, enough mids for the cap, whic is required now that neuts are even more prevelent, still weak vs them just not instant death to them, and te lows for tank/gank
5 highs and 4 guns just puts it in an interesting position when u want to put on links, and seeing how it does not have ancillary weapons like a couple of missile launchers like the Astarte I think it works out fine

Yes they did hit rid of the two types of command ships, and they were very spoken about it the re-balancing the future dev blog.

Just to mention something from the past.

As the Eos was pretty damn hard, cause of the fact to launch 5 heavy drones and using lots of turrets. You nerfed it from step to step and now the monster awakes again

You, sir, have slighted CCP's e-honour. The 5% tracking on 4 medium hybrid turrets is surely a mighty advantage over anything that has come before.

I think we shall settle this with pistols at dawn.

Just went on Sisi to check out the CS changes. I have found that after dropping the 2 turrets from my sleipnir I still couldn't fit my ship as I did before the changes as I didn't have enough cpu and more than enough pg. When looking over the thread afterward I see that the cpu was dropped by 50 from the sleipnir while the other command ships only lost as much as 25 cpu and a couple of them were actually given more. I think the 50 cpu drop on the sleipnir is a bit much... and think the 25 cpu drop that lines up with the other ships would be more appropriate.