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we need mini nukes...

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#201 - 2013-08-12 16:23:17 UTC
Only if we can use them in high-sec. It needs to be biblical... like Jita.

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Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#202 - 2013-08-12 17:56:07 UTC
What they really need is a greater ranged smartbomb radius. True story.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#203 - 2013-08-12 18:09:24 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Joepopo wrote:

Mayhaw Morgan wrote:

something crazy like acquiring your IP and DoSing you at an important point in time is what he would call "cheating"

We are also working on IRL DOS attacks where we ring at your door the moment we jump on your ratting supercapital.




Evil always win.

Thank you for your post :)



I am now terrified of ordering in Pizza, in case it comes with an angry bee fleet attached.

Brilliant.
Cool

Can I order yellow jackets on my deep-dish pizza?
Shocked
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#204 - 2013-08-12 19:05:55 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
You seem to have gone rapidly off topic. Almost none of what you are saying has anything to do with the question at hand.

Lets clarify, The reason as doomsday device was different is that it took an 80 billion isk titan to launch it, and did aoe blast damage to pop a subcap fleet. This idea being presented is a 1b isk bomb that can be fired by a single individual. There's a considerable difference. And what most people here are pointing out is that it wouldn't help the lone individuals very much. Harry could get 1, and maybe blap a fleet. Hurrah. The null sec blobs however could afford thousands of them. They would simply become THE WAY to fight any battle. I mean, Burn Jita would be more fun, sure and dropping one on a Jita gate when there's heavy traffic control would be pretty hilarious, but it would in no way empower the small individuals more than the null sec blobs.

Your opinions of the Goons change none of this and are completely irrelevant to the topic.


Your opinion that I have "rapidly gone off topic" is irrelevant to the topic. Scroll up and you'll see three posts beneath my last one that could just as easily be described as "irrelevant to the topic". It's oddly convenient that you only singled out what I am saying as being "off topic".

On topic: Here you are, CFC member, championing the cause of the lone and lowly individual against the powerful and malevolent . . . you? The Goons and CFC in general have shown a propensity to behave in deceptive, coercive, and malicious ways in order to achieve their ends in-game. So, when they come onto this forum and declare "Mini-nukes would be bad for y'all. We'd just win EVE.", we should probably examine their underlying motivations for declaring that. It may, in fact, have nothing to do with whether or not a certain suggestion is actually good for the game. It may have everything to do with the aforementioned deceptive, coercive, and malicious behavior that they are inclined to exhibit if it results in some benefit to themselves.

tl;dr - The CFC are liars and fear an empowered and committed individual. Mini-nukes are a cool idea and would indeed empower individuals to change New Eden, probably in ways the CFC wouldn't like.

I singled you out, because you are trying to dispute that this is a bad idea by babbling on about how you feel the CFC exploits. If you think that's the case, go start a post about it. It'e clear you don;t like the CFC as tehy play with the meta game ratehr than purely game mechanics, but that's a part of EVE. Adapt or die and all that.

I'm saying this is a bad idea because putting a ridiculous amount of power at a pricetag of 1b isk and handing it to any single individual is a stupid idea - regardless of your opinions of the goons. Let me say that again since you don't seem to get it. Regardless of your opinions of the goons.

The fact that the a null blob could afford thousands of these things while individual would only be able to afford a few is simply to show that the individuals would not be the winners in this. Again, nothing to do with the CFC or goons. Any null sec blob would be able to use these to assert absolute dominance. Most nullsec blobs have isk in the trillions, meaning they could use thousands of these. they would gain the ability to aoe welp a capital fleet. This would make people like PL and their massive supercap blobs worthless, since anyone could come along and pop the whole lot for what, less than 50b?

If you really can't see how this is a bad idea, then fair enough. But I get the feeling that the reason you are arguing has nothing to do with the idea at hand, but more to do with the fact that you want somewhere else to vent your frustration at the CFC.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#205 - 2013-08-12 20:29:50 UTC
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But I get the feeling that the reason you are arguing has nothing to do with the idea at hand, but more to do with the fact that you want somewhere else to vent your frustration at the CFC.


I hear TEST has a few openings in that department. Heck, he could be a director; if he doesn't awox and corp thief them, he'd be head and shoulders above the other candidates.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#206 - 2013-08-12 20:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: PopeUrban
EvilweaselSA wrote:
does anyone at all consider harry forever a powerful personality

come now don't be shy


He's a powerful... somethin'

This is a bad idea. It was a bad idea when DDs were... well... basically this.

See, the logic was "supercaps are so expensive it will be impossible to abuse!" Harry.

And then guess what happened.

You want to be the Guerilla scourge of the CFC right? The lone hero that stands against the tyranny of space landlords right? You don't need an uberbomb to do that. There's PLENTY of muscle you could hire for that kind of money. Just do a corp search for "mercenary"

If you think you've got enough money to single handedly wage a war on all of nullsec... Then buy a war.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#207 - 2013-08-12 21:01:33 UTC
PopeUrban wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
does anyone at all consider harry forever a powerful personality

come now don't be shy


He's a powerful... somethin'

This is a bad idea. It was a bad idea when DDs were... well... basically this.

See, the logic was "supercaps are so expensive it will be impossible to abuse!" Harry.

And then guess what happened.

You want to be the Guerilla scourge of the CFC right? The lone hero that stands against the tyranny of space landlords right? You don't need an uberbomb to do that. There's PLENTY of muscle you could hire for that kind of money. Just do a corp search for "mercenary"

If you think you've got enough money to single handedly wage a war on all of nullsec... Then buy a war.


naa I prefer mini nukes... Cool
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#208 - 2013-08-15 14:36:15 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
you are trying to dispute that this is a bad idea by babbling on about how you feel


I FEEL that the CFC "metagame" with deception. So, the question is: Are the CFC in this thread to discuss a proposed game mechanic or to "metagame"? Lying has its downside. People stop believing what you say.

Lucas Kell wrote:
a null blob could afford thousands of these things while individual would only be able to afford a few is simply to show that the individuals would not be the winners in this.


But how does that affect someone like Harry Forever? Are you going to doomsday his Catalyst for 1 billion ISK? I think groups like Pandemic Legion wouldn't let you just walk up to one of their Nyxes and doomsday it without repercussions. And, if they did, well . . . adapt or die.

As it is now, the barrier to entry into null is a) your soul b) multiple fleets of supercapitals c) intense, well-planned, and well-executed group play d) impotence in game. (I might be missing a few.)

Shouldn't there be some risk and consequence of sticking all your eggs in one basket, or of even having so many eggs in the first place?

Lucas Kell wrote:
I get the feeling that . . . you want somewhere else to vent your frustration at the CFC.


Empathy is a difficult meta-game to master, Lucas Kell. I commend you for trying and encourage you to continue practicing.
Veronica Badasaz
BIack Sun Syndicate
Independent Miners Alliance
#209 - 2013-08-15 14:42:24 UTC
Mini-Nuke go home lol we have bombs already a nuke would be to OP.
Then the need of tactics wouldn't be there anymore specially with a radius of 100 k.
Iz do not agree sir !
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#210 - 2013-08-15 17:00:53 UTC
Sounds like the old Doomsdays if you ask me.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#211 - 2013-08-15 20:40:38 UTC
I like mini nukes idea .hehe.A lot of fun if gankers would appear.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#212 - 2013-08-15 23:14:38 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
you are trying to dispute that this is a bad idea by babbling on about how you feel


I FEEL that the CFC "metagame" with deception. So, the question is: Are the CFC in this thread to discuss a proposed game mechanic or to "metagame"? Lying has its downside. People stop believing what you say.

Lucas Kell wrote:
a null blob could afford thousands of these things while individual would only be able to afford a few is simply to show that the individuals would not be the winners in this.


But how does that affect someone like Harry Forever? Are you going to doomsday his Catalyst for 1 billion ISK? I think groups like Pandemic Legion wouldn't let you just walk up to one of their Nyxes and doomsday it without repercussions. And, if they did, well . . . adapt or die.

As it is now, the barrier to entry into null is a) your soul b) multiple fleets of supercapitals c) intense, well-planned, and well-executed group play d) impotence in game. (I might be missing a few.)

Shouldn't there be some risk and consequence of sticking all your eggs in one basket, or of even having so many eggs in the first place?

Lucas Kell wrote:
I get the feeling that . . . you want somewhere else to vent your frustration at the CFC.


Empathy is a difficult meta-game to master, Lucas Kell. I commend you for trying and encourage you to continue practicing.

Right.. Except:
A. It would affect everyone. Superweapons would not be restricted to non-alliance only, and even if it were there would be alts. everyone would be at risk from them

B. It's not an "entry into null sec weapon". It's a way for people who can't PvP to get one shot at some easy kills. Once it's done, it's done. Harry wouldn't be able to "take over null2 with one of these, and if they made a weapon that could, it would be stupidly OP. Bear in mind they found the original doomsday to be OP, and that took years of training, months to build and 100b isk or there abouts.

You can attack the fact that I'm in the CFC all you want. Look at the idea though. a SUPER WEAPON, fireable by a SINGLE PERSON, which can kill a WHOLE FLEET for 1 BIL. If you don;t think that would be game breakingly OP, then you don't know EVE.

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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#213 - 2013-08-16 00:35:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

Right.. Except:
A. It would affect everyone. Superweapons would not be restricted to non-alliance only, and even if it were there would be alts. everyone would be at risk from them

B. It's not an "entry into null sec weapon". It's a way for people who can't PvP to get one shot at some easy kills. Once it's done, it's done. Harry wouldn't be able to "take over null2 with one of these, and if they made a weapon that could, it would be stupidly OP. Bear in mind they found the original doomsday to be OP, and that took years of training, months to build and 100b isk or there abouts.

You can attack the fact that I'm in the CFC all you want. Look at the idea though. a SUPER WEAPON, fireable by a SINGLE PERSON, which can kill a WHOLE FLEET for 1 BIL. If you don;t think that would be game breakingly OP, then you don't know EVE.


I never said it was a perfectly thought out proposal from Harry. I just said it was an interesting concept. As of now, "blobbing" is a problem with no solution. Higher lethality weapons is one answer.
Yakima DWB
Baited Sting
#214 - 2013-08-16 01:37:16 UTC
If something like this were introduced, the first thing that would happen is everyone would be bitching that the CFC sent a player to every single system in eve to blow everyone up at gates and stations and throw tantrums about how OP they are. Would be pretty funny....
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#215 - 2013-08-16 03:25:13 UTC
Yakima DWB wrote:
If something like this were introduced, the first thing that would happen is everyone would be bitching that the CFC sent a player to every single system in eve to blow everyone up at gates and stations and throw tantrums about how OP they are. Would be pretty funny....


Why would they use an expensive super-weapon to blow up some random noob's untanked Badger and some Caldari Customs Officials? They could use Catalysts.
Yakima DWB
Baited Sting
#216 - 2013-08-16 05:21:45 UTC
Any weapon that can be used by a single player to do massive damage can be abused by many players working together in any capacity. Just the facts of life.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#217 - 2013-08-16 07:23:58 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Yakima DWB wrote:
If something like this were introduced, the first thing that would happen is everyone would be bitching that the CFC sent a player to every single system in eve to blow everyone up at gates and stations and throw tantrums about how OP they are. Would be pretty funny....


Why would they use an expensive super-weapon to blow up some random noob's untanked Badger and some Caldari Customs Officials? They could use Catalysts.

I'd use them to reinforce towers in high sec, then come back with another at the end of the timer to finish it off. Suicide ganking a high sec pos? Yes please.

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Luc Chastot
#218 - 2013-08-16 07:34:45 UTC
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Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.