Market Discussions

Who the **** is we?

Look you either put your isk where your mouth is or button it...

You miss understood me, I'm telling you to prove it, use your god like marketing influence to control 95% of the items which must number in the thousands and push all the other traders out of the market.

Top tip, you can't.

You think I don't understand the concept of many traders/bots?

I never said anything to suggest that, I stated my opinion that trying to destroy profit to push other traders out is the act of an idiot, who really is just wasting there own time and not mine or other peoples. I've explained to you why I just carry on making profit regardless of what you are that other idiot thinks.

PS your use of caps is alarming, maybe you need to calm down and go for a walk outside, I will take care of your items while you're gone dear.

Hi. Longtime listener, first time caller.

I'm new to the EVE station trading game but day traded my way through the dot com boom and bust of the 90's so I thought it would be worth a few lulz to see how people react to market manipulations in space. Not surprised to see that much like every other aspect of EVE, the tears flow at a steady pace from those who just really don't get it. That would be you, OP.

I'm a pisant compared to most of you birronaires -- having only thrown half a billion into this alt to give it a shot. Easy money but really not worth it to get bent out of shape (nay, have your gears ground) over people who are also trying to make money.

It's all PvP. Life is all PvP. Have fun, make some ISK, and gain some contacts so you can spend the next few years screwing each other over.

that assumption might lead you into trouble. do take care where you are when ranting e.g. about Thailands King or some such.

That would be me also.

I mostly trade in low volume high profit items. Every once in awhile, someone come in and drops their items on the market well below the normal price. In most cases it is just someone wanting to unload their product fast... fair enough. I either ignore it, buy them out or play pricing games with them until the price is low enough to buy them out. Until....

A player comes in a drops prices across a large number of items I trade in and with volumes that equal 6-12 months of normal sales. The market responds by most everyone else undercutting this new seller. The big seller ends up getting involved in the .01 ISK game.

What was this player trying to do or is doing? I can see that a ceiling on sales prices is established, and that the historic sales price is the lowest in a year, yet profits are still in the 200-300% range and there is no indication the big seller is buying.

I don't get it.

Note: Sorry no tears. Either the big player doesn't know what they are doing... no problem. Or they have a very well thought out plan, which I hopefully want to be around to see unfold. I might learn something.

Just want to chime in and say:

Please play nice with each other.

This is a good discussion, but we do not need to call each other idiots, stupid or other belittling names.

If you fell someone is lacking in knowledge, educate them without calling them stupid.

This is a good discussion of general market mechanics, so I will leave the thread untouched for now.


Carry on.

I generally don't mind large undercuts, as it is a legitimate tactic used to crash a market and/or push out competition.

What I do mind is when the person doing it clearly hasn't got a grasp of what the item is worth. If an item costs 5m to manufacture and I can currently sell for 12m i'm very happy. If somebody crashes the market to 5.5m I think "fair play, pushing out competition". If somebody undercuts to 10m I don't get it. It certainly won't push anyone out of the market, certainly won't make people buy up your stack and re-list and certainly won't draw new buyers into the market.

If it's market PvP it's a fairly poor attempt, like throwing a Rifter at an Obelisk.

So if it's 160% lower, does that mean they pay you 60% of the original price to take the item?
There is a 3rd option by the way: cut the loss, sell as best as you can then reinvest.
And usually if you undercut by 100m, you will be selling to resellers that will make a good profit. You can't undercut many items by 100m and get a good deal, so unless the price is unusually inflated, you're selling too low.

same as what i do.

if iv got a stack and the prices get progressively lower to the point where its no longer profitable for me to trade it then ill remove the stack, place that item on my watch list then check it every few days.

all items i've been doing this for come back around to my liked profit levels eventually. may take a day or a week but they get there and then i put up the sell order again.