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CCP ? - Sources of minerals (drones, loot drops, reprocessing and mining) - Influence on economy.
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Razin
The Scope
#21 - 2011-11-11 20:57:06 UTC
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Hiram Alexander wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
The effect that drone minerals has had on the wider mineral market has been nothing short of catastrophic, but on the other hand I like the idea that the drone regions work a little differently and aren't just another NPC faction with bounties and loot drops like all the rest.

Is there some way to keep the drone regions unique, but changing them to drop something other than minerals?

Give them something similar to Sleeper 'tags' that are worth good Isk, but need to be 'handed in' for the bounty... and half the mineral drop, or more...?


The ideal scenario would be for them to change to providing something that was neither a mineral faucet OR an ISK faucet but was still relatively useful and valuable.

That might require some fairly serious changes (stretching far beyond the drone regions themselves) though.

Maybe they could drop NeX items?
HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-11-11 20:58:31 UTC
Razin wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Hiram Alexander wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
The effect that drone minerals has had on the wider mineral market has been nothing short of catastrophic, but on the other hand I like the idea that the drone regions work a little differently and aren't just another NPC faction with bounties and loot drops like all the rest.

Is there some way to keep the drone regions unique, but changing them to drop something other than minerals?

Give them something similar to Sleeper 'tags' that are worth good Isk, but need to be 'handed in' for the bounty... and half the mineral drop, or more...?


The ideal scenario would be for them to change to providing something that was neither a mineral faucet OR an ISK faucet but was still relatively useful and valuable.

That might require some fairly serious changes (stretching far beyond the drone regions themselves) though.

Maybe they could drop NeX items?


I said 'relatively useful and valuable' Big smile
HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-11-11 21:08:48 UTC
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Alongside Soundwave's drone region comments, something I'd like to see would be to stop modules dropping from NPCs altogether so that mining became the only source of minerals, and manufacturing of basic T1 items hopefully became a viable entry-level profession for hopeful industrialists. As things stand, alloy drops from the drone regions cripple the miners, and loot drops from the rest of space undermine the manufacturers (and the miners, if the loot is melted down).

If CCP ever gets serious about revamping the industrial side of the game, this would be a good start.



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I should probably have added that as a consequence of ending loot drops, you'd need some way of manufacturing named modules.

Hmm.

A new line of manufacturing: meta 0 T1 module + looted drone alloy widgets = meta level 1/2/3/4 module?
bornaa
GRiD.
#24 - 2011-11-11 21:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Alongside Soundwave's drone region comments, something I'd like to see would be to stop modules dropping from NPCs altogether so that mining became the only source of minerals, and manufacturing of basic T1 items hopefully became a viable entry-level profession for hopeful industrialists. As things stand, alloy drops from the drone regions cripple the miners, and loot drops from the rest of space undermine the manufacturers (and the miners, if the loot is melted down).

If CCP ever gets serious about revamping the industrial side of the game, this would be a good start.



JES JES JES JES JEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!


I should probably have added that as a consequence of ending loot drops, you'd need some way of manufacturing named modules.

Hmm.

A new line of manufacturing: meta 0 T1 module + looted drone alloy widgets = meta level 1/2/3/4 module?



I don't think CCP want to change invention too so no "kill named loot"

Maybe something like this:
- No minerals from drones!
- No dropping meta 0 items.
- Change amount of minerals you get when reprocess meta 1/2/3/4 items to very low amounts!

This way we are giving industry CPR and its easy to do.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-11-11 21:28:03 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
They hinted at new faction items in the Exploration Dev Blog.

I am really hoping it is faction Drone Loot to go with possible bounties.

I might start running there Complexes then.

since STo is in the crapper, the big thing i thought was cool in the short time i played, was that you could "adapt" your ship to hold borg technology, as in it actually (kind of cheesy in hwo they did it though) would put borg twech on your ships hull.


i figure, Drone Loot could be subsystem stuff for non-T3 ships, lore-wise say something about drone AI interfering with capsuleer's link or soemthing. this way lesser ships will have a way of becoming slightly more powerful in whatever role they are, and customizing their appearance a little to boot.

now im not saying they become as storng as T3's, but strong enought that a group of them could be a threat to say a tengu (read GROUP, so a gang), the downside being making the ships cost almost as much as a T3.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#26 - 2011-11-11 22:00:21 UTC
ITTigerClawIK wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
I have read somewhere DEVs reply about removing mineral drops from drones and putting something else on its place
Can you please give us update on this? Is this coming?

That's very nice change and players would be thankful.


first they nerf the miniral ammount and now they take it away compleatly, now drone missions are going to be compleatly worthless.

mission rats will have thier guts still according to posts the regional drones are losing their guts.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-11 22:05:52 UTC
Taking those alloys out will just make mining become more interesting for sure, well interesting revenue but always same boring activity
Avila Cracko
#28 - 2011-11-11 22:30:11 UTC
bornaa wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:


I should probably have added that as a consequence of ending loot drops, you'd need some way of manufacturing named modules.

Hmm.

A new line of manufacturing: meta 0 T1 module + looted drone alloy widgets = meta level 1/2/3/4 module?



I don't think CCP want to change invention too so no "kill named loot"

Maybe something like this:
- No minerals from drones!
- No dropping meta 0 items.
- Change amount of minerals you get when reprocess meta 1/2/3/4 items to very low amounts!

This way we are giving industry CPR and its easy to do.



THIS!!!!!

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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#29 - 2011-11-11 22:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Alongside Soundwave's drone region comments, something I'd like to see would be to stop modules dropping from NPCs altogether so that mining became the only source of minerals, and manufacturing of basic T1 items hopefully became a viable entry-level profession for hopeful industrialists. As things stand, alloy drops from the drone regions cripple the miners, and loot drops from the rest of space undermine the manufacturers (and the miners, if the loot is melted down).

If CCP ever gets serious about revamping the industrial side of the game, this would be a good start.

As mission runner I can't but applaud this.

Greatly decrease drops from NPCs and alloys from drones as well. Slightly increase bounties. Increase my ISK/hour and let me refuse less time consuming low ISK/hour missions - like drone missions. Let non-drone NPCs occasionally drop meta 1-4 modules like they do now but no tier 0 stuff so the whole meta 0 production only comes from industrialists.

Is this a win-win scenario for everyone - or am I missing something?
bornaa wrote:
I don't think CCP want to change invention too so no "kill named loot"

Maybe something like this:
- No minerals from drones!
- No dropping meta 0 items.

This way we are giving industry CPR and its easy to do.

Exactly.
Alara IonStorm
#30 - 2011-11-11 23:01:41 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
This only applies to DRF drones not the ones in deadspaces from missions or various sites.

Source.
Avila Cracko
#31 - 2011-11-11 23:34:40 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
This only applies to DRF drones not the ones in deadspaces from missions or various sites.

Source.



It should removed be from all drones, not only DRF...

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Severian Carnifex
#32 - 2011-11-12 09:24:51 UTC
- No minerals from drones!
- No dropping meta 0 items!

That two things is a MUST!!!

and third
- Change amount of minerals you get when reprocess meta 1/2/3/4 items to very low amounts!
would be a nice change...

after you do that... you will see what industry can become.
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
#33 - 2011-11-12 10:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadow Lord77
bornaa wrote:
Maybe something like this:
- No minerals from drones!
- No dropping meta 0 items.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Azz-6oT08c
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2011-11-12 11:12:47 UTC
Shadow Lord77 wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Maybe something like this:
- No minerals from drones!
- No dropping meta 0 items.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Azz-6oT08c



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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-12 13:47:46 UTC
^^ I love it... :)

DO IT CCP!
kill drone mineral drops!
kill meta 0 drops!

i just don't know... if all others know it... why CCP don't???
If all players proposing this for a long time... why CCP don't implement it??? or say why they don't want to implement it???
The Old Chap
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-11-12 14:04:36 UTC
Elanor Vega wrote:
^^ I love it... :)

DO IT CCP!
kill drone mineral drops!
kill meta 0 drops!

i just don't know... if all others know it... why CCP don't???
If all players proposing this for a long time... why CCP don't implement it??? or say why they don't want to implement it???


Beacuse not everyone wants it. Roll

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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#37 - 2011-11-12 14:06:31 UTC
Man what? Those drones are one of the reasons I've been training Reprocessing skills!

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bornaa
GRiD.
#38 - 2011-11-12 14:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
Elanor Vega wrote:
^^ I love it... :)

DO IT CCP!
kill drone mineral drops!
kill meta 0 drops!

i just don't know... if all others know it... why CCP don't???
If all players proposing this for a long time... why CCP don't implement it??? or say why they don't want to implement it???



Because they did not listen their customers... I hope they changed and they will do that two easy things for indy players at least!!!
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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-11-12 15:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Severian Carnifex wrote:
- No minerals from drones!
- No dropping meta 0 items!

That two things is a MUST!!!

and third
- Change amount of minerals you get when reprocess meta 1/2/3/4 items to very low amounts!
would be a nice change...

after you do that... you will see what industry can become.



That's a big problem when you train all related skills and metalscrap processing up to at least 4, do you know how much training time is needed to get this "small" reward?

The amount of minerals coming from drones is exponential compared with items reprocessing, remember loot from rats is already nerfed and very often even frigates give better loot than BS's.
If you really want to nerf that too then give back the sp from metalscrap skill and those related.

EDIT: Or make it so when you reprocess mods you have a chance of get T2 minerals or total 0, in very small amounts but this would compensate I guess
Avila Cracko
#40 - 2011-11-12 15:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Avila Cracko
Tanya Powers wrote:
Severian Carnifex wrote:
- No minerals from drones!
- No dropping meta 0 items!

That two things is a MUST!!!

and third
- Change amount of minerals you get when reprocess meta 1/2/3/4 items to very low amounts!
would be a nice change...

after you do that... you will see what industry can become.



That's a big problem when you train all related skills and metalscrap processing up to at least 4, do you know how much training time is needed to get this "small" reward?

The amount of minerals coming from drones is exponential compared with items reprocessing, remember loot from rats is already nerfed and very often even frigates give better loot than BS's.
If you really want to nerf that too then give back the sp from metalscrap skill and those related.

EDIT: Or make it so when you reprocess mods you have a chance of get T2 minerals or total 0, in very small amounts but this would compensate I guess


When something is broken its must be fixed...
And you are saying "keep all things that are broken and i like it broken and change only things that i dont like"...
So CCP now "have to" get back SP to all players that have trained SC because they nerfed it???
So CCP "had to" get back all Indy skills to Indy ppl years ago when they nerfed industry with drone regions and other things that nerfed industry???
there is one solution... get all SP to all players back so they can re-distribute it every expansion... What?

as years pass, there are changes... some are good for you and some are bad... overall game is being balanced and you need to adapt like we all are adapting over all this years...

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