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Paid name change. Still think its a good idea.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-08-12 10:16:23 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:


Yeah, would be entirely true if there was no Character Bazaar and people would be limited to 1 Character on 1 Account.



We can track who sells who to whom.

This idea is terrible and would be widely abused by us.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#22 - 2013-08-12 10:19:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Logical Chaos wrote:


Yeah, would be entirely true if there was no Character Bazaar and people would be limited to 1 Character on 1 Account.



We can track who sells who to whom.

This idea is terrible and would be widely abused by us.


SO you are saying there is only Main Characters posting on the Character Bazaar and not 1 day old alts? LOL!

I am not saying it is a good idea, I am just saying that the argument that it would benefit scammers isn't a good one.

That said: I am very happy with my name although this Character was bought EvilTwisted
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-08-12 10:31:16 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Logical Chaos wrote:


Yeah, would be entirely true if there was no Character Bazaar and people would be limited to 1 Character on 1 Account.



We can track who sells who to whom.

This idea is terrible and would be widely abused by us.


SO you are saying there is only Main Characters posting on the Character Bazaar and not 1 day old alts? LOL!

I am not saying it is a good idea, I am just saying that the argument that it would benefit scammers isn't a good one.

That said: I am very happy with my name although this Character was bought EvilTwisted


Why would anyone try to buy or sell a 1 day old alt? What would that be worth when you can just make your own?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#24 - 2013-08-12 10:51:10 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Why would anyone try to buy or sell a 1 day old alt? What would that be worth when you can just make your own?


wow, please say you are a troll.

If not:

- You scammed/awoxed someone with your character
- You sell your character on the Bazaar for moneyz
- You buy a new character on the Bazaar for said moneyz - For this you use a 1day old alt that has never been seen by anyone and can not be tracked down to your former main - to post on the forum you know?
- Voilá, you have a brand new identity in EVE.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-08-12 10:55:07 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Why would anyone try to buy or sell a 1 day old alt? What would that be worth when you can just make your own?


wow, please say you are a troll.

If not:

- You scammed/awoxed someone with your character
- You sell your character on the Bazaar for moneyz
- You buy a new character on the Bazaar for said moneyz - For this you use a 1day old alt that has never been seen by anyone and can not be tracked down to your former main - to post on the forum you know?
- Voilá, you have a brand new identity in EVE.


That doesn't answer the question, does it. There are two open slots on everyone's main. The real question is, why would anyone buy that one day old character, regardless of what it's done, when they can just make their own?

You only answered why someone might TRY to sell one, but if the char is a one day old awoxer for example, anyone trying to sell it would be a moron, and anyone buying it would be even more so due to the fact that they can just go into the character creator, create a new one just as the awoxer did, and discard it 24 hours later.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#26 - 2013-08-12 10:56:42 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Please no. Not now, not ever. The biggest winners will be the scammers and similar.

But as far as "oh no I ****** up" you could always try and petition. But usually they don't change unless it's a spelling error or capitalization.


^^This

@OP:

Get over it already. This thread *again*.

If you think it's "still a good idea" then you posted in the wrong forums too.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#27 - 2013-08-12 11:00:26 UTC
I would have to agree with the sentiment that this is a terrible idea. You make your rep in Eve and you keep it. Seems the OP has no idea how to track sold characters Lol

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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-08-12 11:02:39 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Why would anyone try to buy or sell a 1 day old alt? What would that be worth when you can just make your own?


wow, please say you are a troll.

If not:

- You scammed/awoxed someone with your character
- You sell your character on the Bazaar for moneyz
- You buy a new character on the Bazaar for said moneyz - For this you use a 1day old alt that has never been seen by anyone and can not be tracked down to your former main - to post on the forum you know?
- Voilá, you have a brand new identity in EVE.


"A brand new identity" is irrelevant here. You're not deleting history of that character you sell, it will always stick with that character. Forever.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-08-12 11:03:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Logical Chaos
Remiel Pollard wrote:

That doesn't answer the question, does it. There are two open slots on everyone's main. The real question is, why would anyone buy that one day old character, regardless of what it's done, when they can just make their own?

You only answered why someone might TRY to sell one, but if the char is a one day old awoxer for example, anyone trying to sell it would be a moron, and anyone buying it would be even more so due to the fact that they can just go into the character creator, create a new one just as the awoxer did, and discard it 24 hours later.


Thank you for making my day.

YOU DO NOT SELL THAT 1 DAY OLD CHARACTER! You sell that 30m SP main that awoxed someone doing a Mission in his Bhaalgorn. Or crashed that Mining Party with a Smartbombing BS.

The ISK from that will go to your main (according to character bazaar rules).
You move it to that 1 day old character (that you do not sell).
That 1 day old character moves it to another 1 day old character on the same account (Because the new owner could see whom you have sent the ISK to).

You delete the first one day old character.

Now you can anonymously buy a new character on the character bazaar, posting with your second one day old character that has no directly obvious links to your former main char (Unless you give someone your API now).

After buying yourself a new main (depending on the scam you pulled probably with more SP) you delete the one day old character and now no API checks will be able to connect you to the character that has previously done something nasty.

Tobias Hareka wrote:


"A brand new identity" is irrelevant here. You're not deleting history of that character you sell, it will always stick with that character. Forever.


Since it does not belong to you anymore it does not bother you.

You can only hope for the new owner to convince the former victims (If they really care to pursue that character that is).
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-08-12 11:09:46 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
Since it does not belong to you anymore it does not bother you.

You can only hope for the new owner to convince the former victims (If they really care to pursue that character that is).


It would bother me if I bought for example character with awoxing or otherwise bad history.
Tbh, I wouldn't even buy character before doing background check.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-08-12 11:14:54 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Logical Chaos wrote:
Since it does not belong to you anymore it does not bother you.

You can only hope for the new owner to convince the former victims (If they really care to pursue that character that is).


It would bother me if I bought for example character with awoxing or otherwise bad history.
Tbh, I wouldn't even buy character before doing background check.


Then you are pretty much one in a million.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-08-12 11:17:02 UTC
Yeah.... There are those who woke up from a drunken stupor wondering what stupidities they've perpetrated the night before, and in their hungover condition groan in dismay as they look at the names they've created for they're toons. "P-nis Holder", "Phlem Vessel", "Frog Nuts", just to name a few. It's players like those that regret their "creativity" and wish, most earnestly, for a way to rectify their lack of good sense during their drunken malaise.

So, I say yes to paid name changes. However, for those with concerns of Awoxers, and other criminals who've perpetrated great crimes and then hide behind the anonymity of a name change, I say add a feature that makes it harder for them to run from their pasts. When you use the "Show Info" on a character, it shows their names and a list of their A.K.A.'s.

So, for example, you would see something like this: " Name: Frog Nuts, A.K.A, P-nis Holder, A.K.A. Phlem Vessel, A.K.A.. Bruce Holder."

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-08-12 11:19:37 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Yeah.... There are those who woke up from a drunken stupor wondering what stupidities they've perpetrated the night before, and in their hungover condition groan in dismay as they look at the names they've created for they're toons. "P-nis Holder", "Phlem Vessel", "Frog Nuts", just to name a few. It's players like those that regret their "creativity" and wish, most earnestly, for a way to rectify their lack of good sense during their drunken malaise.

So, I say yes to paid name changes. However, for those with concerns of Awoxers, and other criminals who've perpetrated great crimes and then hide behind the anonymity of a name change, I say add a feature that makes it harder for them to run from their pasts. When you use the "Show Info" on a character, it shows their names and a list of their A.K.A.'s.

So, for example, you would see something like this: " Name: Frog Nuts, A.K.A, P-nis Holder, A.K.A. Phlem Vessel, A.K.A.. Bruce Holder."


I am strictly against CCP directing coding-effort into such a feature with the current amount of bugs still in the game.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-08-12 11:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Logical Chaos wrote:


YOU DO NOT SELL THAT 1 DAY OLD CHARACTER! You sell that 30m SP main that awoxed someone doing a Mission in his Bhaalgorn. Or crashed that Mining Party with a Smartbombing BS.


This isn't what you initially claimed. Here, let me refresh your memory.

Logical Chaos wrote:


SO you are saying there is only Main Characters posting on the Character Bazaar and not 1 day old alts? LOL!

I am not saying it is a good idea, I am just saying that the argument that it would benefit scammers isn't a good one.

That said: I am very happy with my name although this Character was bought EvilTwisted




So, first you're claiming that saying that there are only mains on the bazaar and no 1 day old alts is a joke, enough to lol at, and then you tell me that's exactly what happens.

I have changed my position. I think name changes should definitely be allowed, but only under the circumstances that descriptive names accurately reflect the character's use. For example, someone with the word "logical" in their name with no sense of logic should be allowed to change it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#35 - 2013-08-12 11:24:11 UTC
Yulinda Ambraelle wrote:
It's offered in Blizzard's World of Warcraft and that is a paid subscription MMO.


So what?

Your idea is bad for Eve. If you don't know why, then you are bad at Eve.

Don't be bad.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
rofflesausage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-08-12 11:42:53 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Logical Chaos wrote:


YOU DO NOT SELL THAT 1 DAY OLD CHARACTER! You sell that 30m SP main that awoxed someone doing a Mission in his Bhaalgorn. Or crashed that Mining Party with a Smartbombing BS.


This isn't what you initially claimed. Here, let me refresh your memory.

Logical Chaos wrote:


SO you are saying there is only Main Characters posting on the Character Bazaar and not 1 day old alts? LOL!

I am not saying it is a good idea, I am just saying that the argument that it would benefit scammers isn't a good one.

That said: I am very happy with my name although this Character was bought EvilTwisted




So, first you're claiming that saying that there are only mains on the bazaar and no 1 day old alts is a joke, enough to lol at, and then you tell me that's exactly what happens.

I have changed my position. I think name changes should definitely be allowed, but only under the circumstances that descriptive names accurately reflect the character's use. For example, someone with the word "logical" in their name with no sense of logic should be allowed to change it.


No, he claimed no such thing. He said that one day alts were POSTING in the character bazaar. He's talking about them BUYING characters so no paper trail is left to peoples main characters. If you'd read the post he quoted, you'd see this.

This isn't hard to understand.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#37 - 2013-08-12 11:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Logical Chaos
Remiel Pollard wrote:


So, first you're claiming that saying that there are only mains on the bazaar and no 1 day old alts is a joke, enough to lol at, and then you tell me that's exactly what happens.

I have changed my position. I think name changes should definitely be allowed, but only under the circumstances that descriptive names accurately reflect the character's use. For example, someone with the word "logical" in their name with no sense of logic should be allowed to change it.


That's a good one!

Anyway: The one day old alts are not being sold. They post there to buy a new character.


rofflesausage wrote:

No, he claimed no such thing. He said that one day alts were POSTING in the character bazaar. He's talking about them BUYING characters so no paper trail is left to peoples main characters. If you'd read the post he quoted, you'd see this.

This isn't hard to understand.


Thank you so much! I was starting to think I am really making honor to my name by being incomprehensible.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2013-08-12 11:49:15 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:


Thank you so much! I was starting to think I am really making honor to my name by being incomprehensible.


Here, try this.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-08-12 11:52:37 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
I am strictly against CCP directing coding-effort into such a feature with the current amount of bugs still in the game.


How about also getting your corp history "cleaned" for 1 PLEX?

It's still very bad idea.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#40 - 2013-08-12 11:55:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
Chribba wrote:
Please no. Not now, not ever. The biggest winners will be the scammers and similar.

But as far as "oh no I ****** up" you could always try and petition. But usually they don't change unless it's a spelling error or capitalization.



I don't usually disagree with Chribba, but when I do, it's about this issue.

Again for the billionth time scammers won't benefit from this anymore than they benefit from PLEX and alts. Infact they'd benefit a lot less if this were deployed with the numerous suggestions given before in numerous threads; Make it either a one-time only change, or doable only once a year or two years for the cost of a months subscription - or two. Those who really want or need to change their name would pay that but probably not more. Add a way to track the name change - alias tab or something. There are literally dozens of suggestions - all good, to make this viable and I haven't the time or space to list them all here. Go search the F&I forum if you're interested.

Again you can create dozens of alts and upkeep them basicly for free. If you really were scared about exploiting this for scamming you would be clamoring for banning alts as well - which I see nobody doing. "But muh consequences!" There are no consequences with the alt system we currently have. End of.