Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Given that the entire point I was making is that Carbon has benefited the game in ways OTHER than WiS, you're not doing yourself any favours.

Incarna benefitted the game technologically even if it has left us with a half-finished appendix of a feature rather than an actual. Hell, no Incarna, no DUST. The Carbon framework which allows DUST to work on Tranquility alongside EVE only exists because of Walking In Stations.

And as I illustrated on the last page, there IS functionality which communal avatar spaces could give us that we're not now benefitting from precisely because parochial morons like you seem to think that just because the game is currently almost pure Internet Spaceships, that it should remain that way forever more and never grow in new directions.

How frakking DARE you respond with a "you're welcome" when you're called out on that?

You really have zero imagination or enthusiasm for things other than kicking other people's sandcastles, don't you?

This wiki article details what we could have if CCP had finished WiS.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Walking_in_stations

I have yet to see compelling arguments why WiS should be implemented at all when WiS at its core is more pointless than missions and really just caters to specific groups of people who really ought to be sterilized.

"I'm incapable of reading the myriad of threads full of cogent points supporting the existence of WIS, and I want everyone who doesn't agree with me to go away and quit reminding me of how wrong and close-minded I am."

In the United States, the VAST MAJORITY want higher taxes for the working class, and lower taxes for the upper crust. I know this, because Congress, which represent the VAST MAJORITY work very hard to raise low to mid income earners' (the TINY MINORITY - always getting out voted) taxes, and lower taxes for the bazzillionaires (the VAST MAJORITY that Congress works so hard for). Oh! And corporate entities. Corporate entities have more rights than low to mid income earning people in our country because the VAST MAJORITY (the bazillionaires) want it that way.

So my point is that maybe there are at least two or three bazillionaires playing EVE. If that's the case, then they are indeed, the VAST MAJORITY. If they don't want WiS, then there shall be no WiS!

How many times do we have to repeat that Incarna WAS NOT THE WiS , THEY PROMISED?

Since you are new around here, I have read similar threads like this one and the tune they play is the same. I have yet to see one that presents solid arguments why CCP should dedicate dev time (which means MONEY) into implementing WiS when the vast majority of players do not want WiS when there is more pressing issues at hand than to implement something that literally is just fluff.

It's nice to see those in favour of WiS actually fighting for this.
Eve can only grow and draw in new players if its universe improves and expands. Take theme parks, they keep add new rides, for example. MMOs that remain static, even those that keep improving gameplay, balance, and fix bugs, loose subscriptions and eventually become a pale shadow of their former glory.
As for the players who have a hissy fit every time this come up; we like space ship game, that why we play, adding Avatar play does not stop either development of the spaceship element (any more than Planetary Interaction did) it adds another sub game/element which only increases Eve appeal.
As one poster said, Eve is a science fiction game, and many players want full immersion into the game, space ship are only one part of Eve (a major part to be sure, and always should be the focus).
Hopefully CCP are listen to the reason arguments here, and not just the squealing troll ranting on about not having Barbie dolls in space (which frankly is both a crap argument and an insult to players that want Eve to develop and grow).

I illustrated one idea for how avatar-space could be uniquely used in a way that would benefit the spaceships game on a previous page. (interactive multi-user star maps, industrial tools, fitting tools and so on)

I'm a roleplayer, and while I would like to see more roleplay-centered content in the game, I don't have any unrealistic belief that it would be worth the investment of time and money on its own. These need to be spaces which can add functionality and life to EVE for non-roleplayers too.

That means new gameplay, new means to make ISK and acquire items. Boosters, implants, module blueprints, whatever. The point is that in order for a station interior to be worth making, it has to be useful to a broad swathe of the players. It doesn't need universal appeal, though, and it doesn't want to do stupid stuff like add a needless time sink to agent missions by making you walk down a corridor to meet your agent.

Between gambling, shared planning resources, a black market, and maybe adding games like Splinterz and Mind Clash to the game, you're adding stuff for people to do, to enjoy, and to profit off of, and are not expecting it to be purely a playground for the RP crowd.

None of us want it to be exclusively for us anyway. We're into immersion, and an infinity of echoing empty stations devoid of pilots walking around and doing stuff save for a tiny clique of who just go stand in a room and emote at one another wouldn't fly well with the roleplayers either. We're EVE players, remember - we want stuff to do, things to acquire, schemes to plot.