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Xessej
Perkone
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-08-11 14:09:42 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:

If the population had continued to dwindle after Incarna that would have confirmed that cutting jobs and refocusing on real Eve content was a mistake. That's not what happened.


Dude, seriously. Are you a pigeon? Just how many times we have to explain to you that problem with incarna WAS NOT WiS but its greedy and forced implementation?

I hate incarna myself and was among those angry players. But not because of WiS

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.
BearUkraine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2013-08-11 14:17:33 UTC
Xessej wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:

If the population had continued to dwindle after Incarna that would have confirmed that cutting jobs and refocusing on real Eve content was a mistake. That's not what happened.


Dude, seriously. Are you a pigeon? Just how many times we have to explain to you that problem with incarna WAS NOT WiS but its greedy and forced implementation?

I hate incarna myself and was among those angry players. But not because of WiS

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.

To be realistic, is there any official info that there was a drop of subcription right after Incarna?
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#163 - 2013-08-11 14:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Xessej wrote:

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.


Davon said it pretty well.

Davon Mandra'thin wrote:

They didn't spent 2 years on the CQ. They spent two years on the Carbon engine, which we have been reaping the benefits of ever since. Those amazing expansions you talk about have only been possible because of those two years working on Carbon. The hard work is done now, the engine is finished and they've been using it for years, they just need to make more WiS content.


Walking in Station wasn't why so little was done over that time. You can blame it on "WiS Developement" all you want, but we never got WiS... we got racial themed prison rooms after two years of Carbon development. If you think it took them two years to make those rooms then your fooling yourself. Carbon has been a god send, making things like the V3 textures, time dilation and other things possible. That's what they did over those two years. Just because the first thing they released was the captains quarters doesn't mean that's what they spend that time doing. Have you any idea how much resources are required to make a games engine? That why we saw so little content over that time.

To use your words, "how many times" does this have to be explained to you?

BearUkraine wrote:

To be realistic, is there any official info that there was a drop of subcription right after Incarna?


Yes, CCP came out and said it themselves... Incarna was a massive failure.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#164 - 2013-08-11 18:12:49 UTC
http://evevault.ign.com/screenshots/?ss=88&page=9
Concept arts were misleading. Cool

That's probably why everyone was making memes with the door.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#165 - 2013-08-11 18:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Demica Diaz
Haha, yeah. Those concept arts. Ironicly Incarna was reason I started to play. At that moment I only knew that this MMO is about space and ships. Then I accidently bumped into youtube video of CCP fanfest and they talked about walking on station, shady contraband and all kinds of activities outside ship. I thought myself. "Whoa! Thats like Mass Effect but ten times better and with real players!".

Turned out not exactly what I imagined or moreso, was misled to believe. But I'm still here and kinda grew into EVE now and dont really care is there WiS or not. But those concept arts... damn you CCP! Bear
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#166 - 2013-08-11 19:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Demica Diaz wrote:
Haha, yeah. Those concept arts. Ironicly Incarna was reason I started to play. At that moment I only knew that this MMO is about space and ships. Then I accidently bumped into youtube video of CCP fanfest and they talked about walking on station, shady contraband and all kinds of activities outside ship. I thought myself. "Whoa! Thats like Mass Effect but ten times better and with real players!".

Turned out not exactly what I imagined or moreso, was misled to believe. But I'm still here and kinda grew into EVE now and dont really care is there WiS or not. But those concept arts... damn you CCP! Bear


I remember watching those videos too, and than waiting for the expansion. Turned out people were cheated so they were angry. I was like "bah, they will not change anything", and so we have aurum to this day... Blink

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
#167 - 2013-08-11 19:30:38 UTC
BearUkraine wrote:
To be realistic, is there any official info that there was a drop of subcription right after Incarna?


They flew the entire CSM in for a special summit to find a way to stem the bleeding. WiS was a disaster for the game and it's only the fact that CCP has ignored roleplayers and furries for the last two years that has caused subs to go up continually since then.

Maybe people don't remember but Eve's core gameplay (spaceships and the industry that supports them) suffered for two years prior to Incarna because CCP wasted so much time trying to figure out how to make space Barbies happen. You can cry on the forums all you want but they learned their lesson.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#168 - 2013-08-11 19:51:42 UTC
And they didn't lose 2 years on DUST 514 right? Lol

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#169 - 2013-08-11 19:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
jujumagumboo wrote:

WiS was a disaster for the game and it's only the fact that CCP has ignored roleplayers and furries for the last two years that has caused subs to go up continually since then.

Maybe people don't remember but Eve's core gameplay (spaceships and the industry that supports them) suffered for two years prior to Incarna because CCP wasted so much time trying to figure out how to make space Barbies happen. You can cry on the forums all you want but they learned their lesson.


My god, you are such an idiot it actually hurts reading your posts. WiS never happened. We got CQ, which is not synonymous. The previous two years of low content were due to the carbon engine being developed.

Haven't you read anything that's been said in this thread? Are you that stupid, or are you just ignoring it because you can't stand to be wrong? I'm going to go with a little bit of both.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
#170 - 2013-08-11 20:19:20 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
WiS never happened. We got CQ, which is not synonymous. The previous two years of low content were due to the carbon engine being developed.


I'm glad you agree with me. Two years of wasted effort (where real Eve content was ignored) and all we got was four rooms with couches. Imagine how bad off we would be if they wasted even more time to implement more avatar-based nonsense!
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#171 - 2013-08-11 21:14:15 UTC
jujumagumboo wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
WiS never happened. We got CQ, which is not synonymous. The previous two years of low content were due to the carbon engine being developed.


I'm glad you agree with me. Two years of wasted effort (where real Eve content was ignored) and all we got was four rooms with couches. Imagine how bad off we would be if they wasted even more time to implement more avatar-based nonsense!


Wow, it's confirmed. You really are the daftest person I have ever had a discussion with.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
BearUkraine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2013-08-11 21:31:01 UTC  |  Edited by: BearUkraine
Arduemont wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
WiS never happened. We got CQ, which is not synonymous. The previous two years of low content were due to the carbon engine being developed.


I'm glad you agree with me. Two years of wasted effort (where real Eve content was ignored) and all we got was four rooms with couches. Imagine how bad off we would be if they wasted even more time to implement more avatar-based nonsense!


Wow, it's confirmed. You really are the daftest person I have ever had a discussion with.

Do not waste your time man)
Look at his pokerface brickface Blink
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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#173 - 2013-08-11 21:41:55 UTC
jujumagumboo wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
WiS never happened. We got CQ, which is not synonymous. The previous two years of low content were due to the carbon engine being developed.


I'm glad you agree with me. Two years of wasted effort (where real Eve content was ignored) and all we got was four rooms with couches. Imagine how bad off we would be if they wasted even more time to implement more avatar-based nonsense!


You're plainly ignorant of just how heavily EVE's backend and the spaceship game relies on Carbon.

For the love of dog, go get an education before you form your opinions.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#174 - 2013-08-11 21:46:49 UTC
Domer Pyle wrote:
most eve players are generally pretty autistic. thus they don't like change. so they complained and now WiS has been put on a back burner :\


I know several legitimately autistic people in real life and to be honest, I think they're more functional than many of the "autistic" people here.

More sociable and better mannered too.
jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
#175 - 2013-08-11 22:01:21 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
You're plainly ignorant of just how heavily EVE's backend and the spaceship game relies on Carbon.


How much WiS content has been added to the game since the final three CQs went live? (Hint: it's none)
BearUkraine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2013-08-11 22:05:51 UTC
jujumagumboo wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
You're plainly ignorant of just how heavily EVE's backend and the spaceship game relies on Carbon.


How much WiS content has been added to the game since the final three CQs went live? (Hint: it's none)

Yes. None. You know why? I can tell you - because of such people like YOU Ugh
Dimaloun Vyreen
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2013-08-11 22:40:26 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
http://evevault.ign.com/screenshots/?ss=88&page=9
Concept arts were misleading. Cool

That's probably why everyone was making memes with the door.



wow, those are amazing. That looks Caldari, maybe gallente.

There are three things you say to the police. "Yes, sir", "No, sir" and "I want a lawyer". There is one thing you say to Concord, "Wait, it wasn-"
jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
#178 - 2013-08-11 23:12:13 UTC
BearUkraine wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
You're plainly ignorant of just how heavily EVE's backend and the spaceship game relies on Carbon.


How much WiS content has been added to the game since the final three CQs went live? (Hint: it's none)

Yes. None. You know why? I can tell you - because of such people like YOU Ugh


You're welcome. I shudder to think how bad things would have gotten if The Mittani hadn't been on the CSM when Incarna happened.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#179 - 2013-08-11 23:27:18 UTC
Xessej wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:

If the population had continued to dwindle after Incarna that would have confirmed that cutting jobs and refocusing on real Eve content was a mistake. That's not what happened.


Dude, seriously. Are you a pigeon? Just how many times we have to explain to you that problem with incarna WAS NOT WiS but its greedy and forced implementation?

I hate incarna myself and was among those angry players. But not because of WiS

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.


That's not how I remember it. I rioted because of the threat of pay to win items begin sold via MT, gold ammo anyone?

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#180 - 2013-08-11 23:39:06 UTC
jujumagumboo wrote:
BearUkraine wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
You're plainly ignorant of just how heavily EVE's backend and the spaceship game relies on Carbon.


How much WiS content has been added to the game since the final three CQs went live? (Hint: it's none)

Yes. None. You know why? I can tell you - because of such people like YOU Ugh


You're welcome. I shudder to think how bad things would have gotten if The Mittani hadn't been on the CSM when Incarna happened.


Also, I hate hero worship, the mittani, or mittens as we used to call him in my null sec days is just a man, admittedly he's a great player and a strong influence in eve, but he is just a man. Invoking his name does nothing to further your argument.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...