Missions & Complexes

I've been running data/relic sites in angel 0.0. I have the skills for these sites trained to lvl 2 - That's 2 hours of training time, and I DO NOT fail to beat the mini game, even with these terrible skills. That seems to be a problem. Surely null sites should need pretty decent skills to have any chance of popping the loot piñata. Perhaps making it so you only get one chance at the mini game, rather than 2, would make it slightly more challenging and require better skills.

The only really good thing about the exploration now is the wormholes.

Here you can find a null sec wormhole and make good money, faster travel routes around EVE, and do sleeper sites in W-Space.

To make any real money from exploration any where else than null, you have to hoard your stuff. By holding onto the stuff you get from relic sites, you can create a demand where you are and you get a huge hit of ISK when you sell them.

because it is so damn easy to scan down everything, everyone now run those sites.

also, the spawn rate of those sites seemed to have increased post odyssey.

so more of those mods available => price dropping.

i used to do exploration daily, i don't even boter login my explo alt anymore, not worth it.

i did a little test, a 2 day toon scan anything 100%, and does it faster than my well trained alt, clearly CCP broke the whole thing.

now, the only thng i want from CCP, is that once i set this **** sensor overlay on OFF, it doesn't pop evry time i jumpa a gate or undock, exploration doesn't exist anymore in this game so why should i see this?

In the Mario Bros game, when Mario enters a room, the loot location within the room is identified by a throbbing heart/coin/box/whatever. Mario goes to the throbbing loot source, clicks on it, is given the reward, and then moves on to the next room, where the same thing happens.

Question: Can anyone distinguish "exploration" in Mario Bros from "exploration" in EvE, right now?

I didn't think so.

I've been exploring for a long time on and off. I spentthe majority of my time in EVE doing exploration. I have about 4 months left in my subscription, and I won't be renewing it due entirely to the changes odyssey made to exploration. I hate most of them - I gave them a fair shake, but i dislike the new content, the delivery and looting system, and i despise what the changes did to the existing content.

It's sad, EVE is a great game, but exploration was what I loved and in my opinion it has been ruined. All my exploration skills being level V now just hurts to see - what a waste.

I'm sure in a few years exploration will again be interesting, possibly even fun but until then and unless that happens I will find another game.

I don't think the market is going to recover without CCP intervening, the supply of items, particular T2 salvage and data decoders, is just much greater then the demand.

I used to do a lot of exploration, because it was lucrative, and i pretty much stopped after Odyssey was released. Hi-sec exploration has gone from bad to worse, low-sec exploration is getting closer to where hi-sec was pre-odyssey, null-sec is mostly okay when compared to low and high.

My two biggest problems with the odyssey expansion is the salvage and data decoders are mostly worthless now, while they used to be a okay supplement to your income. Exploration outside high has become a lot more time consuming and dangerous, there are more people camping in relic sites, and you see a lot more probes being dropped forcing you always be in "high alert" mode.

I don't really mind low and null exploration being more dangerous, but when you at the same time is making less isk it don't really make a lot of sense.

Unless you are going to null, where you can profit from exploration, you might as well do missions. Level 4 missions are generally more isk then exploration, and it's steady income.

This.

I've been averaging about 1 deadspace mod per GSO post-odyssey, whereas before most of the sites were empty. Three in one can is not uncommon. I've also found a bunch of invuls, whereas I never found one of them before the expansion.

Yes, random is random, I play poker for a living I understand variance. And my sample size isn't very big. But the difference pre and post-odyssey for me has been enormous. It's much more likely that drop rates changed than I went through a several standard deviation swing exactly when Odyssey came out.

The other factors that have been mentioned are probably also correct: sites are easier to scan, so more people do them, so there's more supply, so prices are dropping. It's also logical that the drag on C-type mods is going to drag B-type and A-type mods as well (B-type can logically only be so much more expensive than C-type or no one will buy them).

I don't think the pre-set probes have as much to do with it as what one poster called the "god eye". Prior to Oddesy I think I ran maybe 3-4 DED sites total since 2006. Now when I see 3-4 sigs up in system I'll have a look in between ganking noobs. I tried the relic and data sites and they seem pretty worthless but the other night I made 545m in loot in less than an hour in a gurista 5/10. If it was before oddesy I wouldn't have even bothered checking the system to look.

I've stopped completely running the sites.



I'm sure CCP is satisfied with their stats. Too bad that my perspective is that of a player tho. From my perspective so much competition that it's not worth it anymore = bad. It didn't had to be like that. If sites were tiered better skill and difficulty wise and market demand for the loot had been taken into account before the release then the sites would still offer something for everybody from noob to vet.

I could probably sit here and come up with several reasons why the new data/relic/salvage sites suck, but why.........it's just a boring distraction now and I do not like it at all

The only use for good scanning skills now is pvp. I trained a good scanner alt just for isk making purposes and now she is getting dusty. Could I have that 4-5 mil sp back (maybe more than that, idk).