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Triple Omni Dominix AKA nerf Sentry Drones

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Ginger Barbarella
#61 - 2013-08-08 20:08:17 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:
Sentry boats cant even more to cancel there traversal.



Um, what?

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Moon Mare Night
Krab Kingdom
Dracarys.
#62 - 2013-08-09 16:53:27 UTC
Onictus wrote:
GTC Onzo wrote:
The only thing broken is the assist command.

It's widely abused for carriers assigning drones to assist in anoms as well while carrier stays relatively safed up.


That is assisting fighters and its considerably different.


Is it really? I don't see how in the world you could say that since the guy said it was the assist command that was broken, not sentries. Assist command applies to all drones/sentries/fighters. The command itself of assist is stupidly OP.

You have to fly certain gimped doctrines that are one twick ponies but it's still an OP command.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-08-09 16:58:01 UTC
Moon Mare Night wrote:
Onictus wrote:
GTC Onzo wrote:
The only thing broken is the assist command.

It's widely abused for carriers assigning drones to assist in anoms as well while carrier stays relatively safed up.


That is assisting fighters and its considerably different.


Is it really? I don't see how in the world you could say that since the guy said it was the assist command that was broken, not sentries. Assist command applies to all drones/sentries/fighters. The command itself of assist is stupidly OP.

You have to fly certain gimped doctrines that are one twick ponies but it's still an OP command.



Wrong. You can only assign 5 fighters to any pilot. You can assist an entire FLEET of sentries to a pilot.

Plus fighters pretty much suck, this is why we kicked up a riot when they suggested pulling all drones not fighters out of carriers (they did remove all drones from dreads).
Moon Mare Night
Krab Kingdom
Dracarys.
#64 - 2013-08-09 21:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Moon Mare Night
Onictus wrote:


Wrong. You can only assign 5 fighters to any pilot. You can assist an entire FLEET of sentries to a pilot.

Plus fighters pretty much suck, this is why we kicked up a riot when they suggested pulling all drones not fighters out of carriers (they did remove all drones from dreads).



Again, this comes down to the ASSIST command being broken. Not Sentries. Not Drones.

edit:

This whole original topic is stupid to be honest. The fix is easy. Cap out the amount of drones/sentries/fighters a pilot can be assisted by. Gone are the days of fleet pvp being run by 1 assist FC. Cap it out of 1 fleet (5) per pilot.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-08-09 21:57:06 UTC
Moon Mare Night wrote:
Onictus wrote:


Wrong. You can only assign 5 fighters to any pilot. You can assist an entire FLEET of sentries to a pilot.

Plus fighters pretty much suck, this is why we kicked up a riot when they suggested pulling all drones not fighters out of carriers (they did remove all drones from dreads).



Again, this comes down to the ASSIST command being broken. Not Sentries. Not Drones.

edit:

This whole original topic is stupid to be honest. The fix is easy. Cap out the amount of drones/sentries/fighters a pilot can be assisted by. Gone are the days of fleet pvp being run by 1 assist FC. Cap it out of 1 fleet (5) per pilot.



I told you twice now. Fighters are alrady capped at 5. You can't even put a hold load of (1) carrier's fighters on another pilot.


I even said the assist command needs to go as its currently implemented. Even then its more philosophical, I really don't have an issue with domi herds.
Moon Mare Night
Krab Kingdom
Dracarys.
#66 - 2013-08-09 22:47:03 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Moon Mare Night wrote:

This whole original topic is stupid to be honest. The fix is easy. Cap out the amount of drones/sentries/fighters a pilot can be assisted by. Gone are the days of fleet pvp being run by 1 assist FC. Cap it out of 1 fleet (5) per pilot.



I told you twice now. Fighters are alrady capped at 5. You can't even put a hold load of (1) carrier's fighters on another pilot.


I even said the assist command needs to go as its currently implemented. Even then its more philosophical, I really don't have an issue with domi herds.


So out of that whole sentence right there, you decide to single out fighters (again) which I already knew about before you 'told me'?

good god.

The entire complaint here is that sentries are OP and broken (when they aren't and 1 particular set of sentries are 1 trick ponies) so the easy fix (which applies to all drone types hence the "drones/sentries/fighters") is to just do away with the assist line in its current function.

Then you won't have HYDRA crying about OP tactics that aren't really OP at all, but a clear defined set of 1 trick ponies that HYDRA was unable to counter because of picks and bans.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-08-09 23:08:42 UTC
Moon Mare Night wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Moon Mare Night wrote:

This whole original topic is stupid to be honest. The fix is easy. Cap out the amount of drones/sentries/fighters a pilot can be assisted by. Gone are the days of fleet pvp being run by 1 assist FC. Cap it out of 1 fleet (5) per pilot.



I told you twice now. Fighters are alrady capped at 5. You can't even put a hold load of (1) carrier's fighters on another pilot.


I even said the assist command needs to go as its currently implemented. Even then its more philosophical, I really don't have an issue with domi herds.


So out of that whole sentence right there, you decide to single out fighters (again) which I already knew about before you 'told me'?

good god.

The entire complaint here is that sentries are OP and broken (when they aren't and 1 particular set of sentries are 1 trick ponies) so the easy fix (which applies to all drone types hence the "drones/sentries/fighters") is to just do away with the assist line in its current function.

Then you won't have HYDRA crying about OP tactics that aren't really OP at all, but a clear defined set of 1 trick ponies that HYDRA was unable to counter because of picks and bans.



Poor hydra, because a number of domi teams...like Darkside...lost with domi set up, and in REAL eve, the part we play every day sentries are fine.

There are a LOT of counters to sentries, and fighters in no way need to get nerfed. I've seen assigned fighters that I didn't assign to myself ratting all of once in a PvP situation, some TESTicle attached them to a maller and got himself nuked.

....because 5 fighters can't catch a pack of MWD bombers, if we were in BSs we would have just giggled and killed 100mil in fighters for the lols. Its far from overpowered.

The AT is NOT tranquility, different rules apply.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#68 - 2013-08-11 07:16:38 UTC
Tracking bonused, triple omnidirectional sentries are as hilariously broken as the drone assist mechanic

We tried in our testing a number of different things, all the way to 10MN afterburner, skirmish linked, and armor tanked stealth bombers. Even if they can evade the fire in perfect circumstances (orbiting stationary target), there is absolutely no way for any frigate to live once target painters come to bear or the sentry ships simply move and drop another set at a different range. This was even with the un-bonused Gila/Ishtar/Vexor team that we fielded; we didnt even bother to try with a proper Dominix, let alone a Flagdominix
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#69 - 2013-08-12 02:18:23 UTC
Sentries are p dumb on TQ when used alongside the drone assist mechanics

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-08-12 03:13:34 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Moon Mare Night wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Moon Mare Night wrote:

This whole original topic is stupid to be honest. The fix is easy. Cap out the amount of drones/sentries/fighters a pilot can be assisted by. Gone are the days of fleet pvp being run by 1 assist FC. Cap it out of 1 fleet (5) per pilot.



I told you twice now. Fighters are alrady capped at 5. You can't even put a hold load of (1) carrier's fighters on another pilot.


I even said the assist command needs to go as its currently implemented. Even then its more philosophical, I really don't have an issue with domi herds.


So out of that whole sentence right there, you decide to single out fighters (again) which I already knew about before you 'told me'?

good god.

The entire complaint here is that sentries are OP and broken (when they aren't and 1 particular set of sentries are 1 trick ponies) so the easy fix (which applies to all drone types hence the "drones/sentries/fighters") is to just do away with the assist line in its current function.

Then you won't have HYDRA crying about OP tactics that aren't really OP at all, but a clear defined set of 1 trick ponies that HYDRA was unable to counter because of picks and bans.



Poor hydra, because a number of domi teams...like Darkside...lost with domi set up, and in REAL eve, the part we play every day sentries are fine.

There are a LOT of counters to sentries, and fighters in no way need to get nerfed. I've seen assigned fighters that I didn't assign to myself ratting all of once in a PvP situation, some TESTicle attached them to a maller and got himself nuked.

....because 5 fighters can't catch a pack of MWD bombers, if we were in BSs we would have just giggled and killed 100mil in fighters for the lols. Its far from overpowered.

The AT is NOT tranquility, different rules apply.


But what if we just make the "assign" command limited to 5 of anything? That does not nerf fighters right since they can still do all what they can now? I mean whatever the reason they have for not permitting more than 5 fighters to be assigned to a single ship isn't also a good one for sentries or whatever other drones?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#71 - 2013-08-12 18:34:12 UTC
the TL;DR is nerf the Domi Bonus not the drones. This was brought up several expansions ago and should have been left alone after they balanced hybrids.

I dont want my RS, TFI, and Mach all to get nerfed because CCP didnt listen and ****** up the balance of the Domi.

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