Intergalactic Summit

Tibus Heth was doing his duties for citizens of the State. He is a patriot, and that he put resources for the State, but not to holding his position, proves it. He lost this position because of a political game, initiated by CEP members. And the charge in embezzlement, as many other charges, are just political levers.

Lets think with reasons, but not emotions. What we know about Heth-haan, is that he now is only a suspect. He can't be named a criminal, until he confirms it himself or until he could defend himself in the tribunal and the tribunal confirms his guilt. Those people, who call him a criminal now, are not logical, and are simply pressing on him. They are either straightforward traitors, or simply not educated in legal affairs.

I call to you to wait for the tribunal decision, where Heth-haan could defend himself. What we know about him now, is that he is still a citizen, the CEO of Caldari Construction, a patriot, a hero, an ex-executor and a political figure. He has lost a political battle now against the CEP, but he hasn't lost the war yet.

Please, be professional and do not taint your names by applying unconfirmed labels to Tibus Heth. Gallenteans with their lapdogs could even call him "insane". But Heth-haan is a very smart and merited person, who could become CEO from a simple MTAC worker, from CEO to megacorp CEO and CEP member, and from the CEP member to the Executor of the State. I do not ask gallenteans with their bootlickers to stop calling him "insane" and other names. But those of you, who still consider yourselves citizens of the State, please, use logic and reason, and ignore gallentean propaganda! That a gallentean or a gallentean sympathizer will call him "insane", won't make him insane.

Just like CEP calling him a terrorist, won't make him a terrorist.

Citizens! Be professional and let professionals do their job!

I think I've worked it out.

She's got a perception filter installed. It blanks out anything that does not conform to a specific world view, and overlays it with a flashing sign labelled 'Gallente lies'.

I thought about making a serious post regarding the Haatomo incident, but... there's not much point, as she wouldn't actually respond anyway.

Dammit Kim! I know this doesn't mean much coming from a person from a race you seem to have an irrational hatred for but think about it: Heth is almost certain to be convicted if and when he is captured if only for forcing the tea maker ceremony on Yanala! That's effectively murder and seeing as how she's effectively a modern version of that Caldari admiral in terms of popularity with your people, it will not end well for Heth. Look what happened to the Ray of Matar's killer: a 36-hour trial which ended with him being executed by firing squad. I'm fairly certain Heth will at the absolute minimum spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of getting out.

Not sure where you get the idea that Yanala had no chance of winning a tribunal case.

All right, I have time to kill. Let's go through the facts, shall we? The telemetry from the Shiigeru demonstrates that Yanala did her best to minimise the damage of the crash. Support for her actions throughout the State has been - and still is - extremely high.

Now, why is Heth guilty? Fine, I'll play your game and agree that he hasn't been convicted, thus by the letter of the law, he isn't guilty yet. Let me rephrase - what evidence points towards his guilt? His actions have not been those of an innocent man. He lied about Yanala's fate, attempting to cover it up as a clone failure, when he himself knew very well that it had been nothing of the sort.

XO Erinen's testimony provides the damning evidence here. I won't go into the question of the tea itself, because as an outsider, there's cultural undertones lost on me. The rest of it is pretty revealing though. Heth definitely ordered the use of an Oblivion doomsday device upon Caldari Prime, which Yanala refused. It has yet to be explained to me why using a weapon of that magnitude upon Caldari Prime is compatible with Heth's stated desire to reclaim the planet. The implication is that Yanala came to the same conclusion, and denounced Heth and the entire Provist movement prior to her death.

He then subsequently covered matters up when he realised that popular opinion was against him in this matter. If he really believed he was in the right, would he have felt the need to do that?

Of course, he was correct about popular opinion.Very correct, in fact. His own statements do not support your 'would not pass tribunal' assessment, I'll also point out.

At this point, it is a fact that Heth left his post. You'll note that no charges have been brought against him, and indeed the only statements made from any other than the common workforce have been cautious. Certainly things were operating behind the scenes, but whatever else he may have been, Heth was a capable politician. His rise to power certainly demonstrates that. There are two possibilities as to his sudden disappearance, then; either he concluded that he had no hope of surviving the ensuing battle, and withdrew before it commenced; or threats were already being made and he did not have enough support to stand against them. Neither case speaks strongly of his innocence. Heth's control of the CEP and the State in general had been absolute for a long time; if this was merely a case of some rowdy workers getting angry over some bad PR, he could have recovered easily enough.

His next actions were extremely dubious. The man technically owned the station, yes - but why take the military strongarm approach, then? Furthermore, he was operating in conjunction with the Templis Dragonaurs, an outlawed terrorist organisation. Openly working with the Dragonaurs alone should be enough to demand an inquiry. The involvement of the Caldari Navy was demanded if only to deal with the Dragonaurs; the fact that Heth had also commandeered the station by force, and unleashed his troops on any who resisted, is also worthy of inquiry.

Given the number of capsuleers (including yourself) who swarmed to the scene, and knowing Heth's style, I'd be surprised if any communication between him and the Navy forces had been kept secret. Either way, the Navy decided that Heth needed containing, and Heth made no statements, speeches or instructions. He was still technically the Executor at this point, and in theory could have commanded the Navy to back down. Whether it would have obeyed or not is a different question.

Wow, never run out of space before. Continued in next post.

Thank you Repentence. As for Kim insulting my ignorance on the Tea Maker's ceremony, I obviously was not clear what I meant by murder. Yes, I know it is effectively an honorable suicide according to Caldari society, what I mean is that Yanala didn't have much of a choice because the option to not drink the poisoned tea would most likely have the poor woman in a potentially worse situation than simply dying. I don't know the specifics on how quick and painless it would be to die from the tea, but considering how Heth insisted on Yanala going through the Tea Maker's Ceremony, I suspect declining would end up with Yanala in a far worse situation where either she wishes she were dead, or she goes through an extremely painful death. I still can't believe Heth was arrogant enough to plan an attempt to invade Gallente space. I understand how badly the Caldari want their home back, but the only reason you got it last time was because of the Elder fleet attacking Yulai. A second invasion would not end well for Heth, especially with CONCORD actually not being preoccupied this time and most likely intercepting Heth's little invasion fleet if he managed to start his invasion.

I should like to point out that the tradition of using the Tea Maker's Ceremony as a way to protest the actions of ones' lord is almost as old a tradition as the ceremony itself. When one is faced with two despicable choices - to take a loathesome action, or to disobey the edicts of ones' sejikiin - many of our greatest have chosen a cup of tea instead. In recent years, our executives have often taken the path of retirement as a means of protest as well, which is also respectable.

The revered Admiral took that choice she felt was most appropriate to the situation, and Tibus Heth was good to facilitate this for her - he could have been far, far worse.

Sorry, suuolo, I suppose it wasn't clear. I meant that Tibus Heth was good in allowing her that choice, instead of all of the things that he could have done to ensure her silence and compliance.

Her loss is a tragedy, but I wouldn't call it a waste. She's brought brighter skies to us all, and taught us a hard lesson. I don't think she would be unsatisfied with this conclusion, and it would be unfair of us to ask more of her than we already have.

A martyr's death is rarely a waste.
Wisdom is in your words, Scherezad-haani.

I would have argued that the only way to become a martyr is to be wasted. Martyrdom is the salvaging of some value and inspiration from a tragic death.

He was planning the attack on the Federation. There is really nothing to be discussed or going public about. The military operation is a military operation, not a political move.


Because he was busy in the military operation! And while he was absent, working on a crucial for the State mission, the CEP has betrayed him! He had much more important things to do: to defeat the Federation, and defending himself against ridiculous CEP claims definitely wasn't a priority. CEP meeting on Yanala is not important business. Defeating the Federation is!


This was an obvious coup d'etat, planned by CEP. They have used the Navy to execute their orders. But there's nothing we can do now about it. Currently the State and yours truly are under their jurisdiction. Going against CEP now would mean treason, unfortunately. Only Heth-haan himself can put them down, if he will declare them as traitors and their decisions as unlawful and ineffective. Either with declaration and force, or through charges with help of CBT.


Well, unfortunately, they have won this coup d'etat by force, and had to clean after this. I doubt they could win it through tribunal decision, more like, they couldn't. But Heth-haan still can win against them. As I said, you don't need opinion of population to do this. CEP never asked citizens, nor Heth-haan will need to ask them. Just use the law and facts. And force.