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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-08-08 10:06:59 UTC
Tibus Heth was doing his duties for citizens of the State. He is a patriot, and that he put resources for the State, but not to holding his position, proves it. He lost this position because of a political game, initiated by CEP members. And the charge in embezzlement, as many other charges, are just political levers.

Lets think with reasons, but not emotions. What we know about Heth-haan, is that he now is only a suspect. He can't be named a criminal, until he confirms it himself or until he could defend himself in the tribunal and the tribunal confirms his guilt. Those people, who call him a criminal now, are not logical, and are simply pressing on him. They are either straightforward traitors, or simply not educated in legal affairs.

I call to you to wait for the tribunal decision, where Heth-haan could defend himself. What we know about him now, is that he is still a citizen, the CEO of Caldari Construction, a patriot, a hero, an ex-executor and a political figure. He has lost a political battle now against the CEP, but he hasn't lost the war yet.

Please, be professional and do not taint your names by applying unconfirmed labels to Tibus Heth. Gallenteans with their lapdogs could even call him "insane". But Heth-haan is a very smart and merited person, who could become CEO from a simple MTAC worker, from CEO to megacorp CEO and CEP member, and from the CEP member to the Executor of the State. I do not ask gallenteans with their bootlickers to stop calling him "insane" and other names. But those of you, who still consider yourselves citizens of the State, please, use logic and reason, and ignore gallentean propaganda! That a gallentean or a gallentean sympathizer will call him "insane", won't make him insane.

Just like CEP calling him a terrorist, won't make him a terrorist.

Citizens! Be professional and let professionals do their job!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-08-08 10:23:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Vikarion wrote:
Now that we have Heth off our backs, I think it might be time to remember the grievances he played oncultivated, only without the baggage of his presence.


There was a small error in your post - I took the liberty of correcting it on your behalf. Hope you don't mind.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#83 - 2013-08-08 11:21:07 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tibus Heth was doing his duties for citizens of the State. He is a patriot, and that he put resources for the State, but not to holding his position, proves it. He lost this position because of a political game, initiated by CEP members. And the charge in embezzlement, as many other charges, are just political levers.

Lets think with reasons, but not emotions. What we know about Heth-haan, is that he now is only a suspect. He can't be named a criminal, until he confirms it himself or until he could defend himself in the tribunal and the tribunal confirms his guilt. Those people, who call him a criminal now, are not logical, and are simply pressing on him. They are either straightforward traitors, or simply not educated in legal affairs.

I call to you to wait for the tribunal decision, where Heth-haan could defend himself. What we know about him now, is that he is still a citizen, the CEO of Caldari Construction, a patriot, a hero, an ex-executor and a political figure. He has lost a political battle now against the CEP, but he hasn't lost the war yet.

Please, be professional and do not taint your names by applying unconfirmed labels to Tibus Heth. Gallenteans with their lapdogs could even call him "insane". But Heth-haan is a very smart and merited person, who could become CEO from a simple MTAC worker, from CEO to megacorp CEO and CEP member, and from the CEP member to the Executor of the State. I do not ask gallenteans with their bootlickers to stop calling him "insane" and other names. But those of you, who still consider yourselves citizens of the State, please, use logic and reason, and ignore gallentean propaganda! That a gallentean or a gallentean sympathizer will call him "insane", won't make him insane.

Just like CEP calling him a terrorist, won't make him a terrorist.

Citizens! Be professional and let professionals do their job!


I think I've worked it out.

She's got a perception filter installed. It blanks out anything that does not conform to a specific world view, and overlays it with a flashing sign labelled 'Gallente lies'.

I thought about making a serious post regarding the Haatomo incident, but... there's not much point, as she wouldn't actually respond anyway.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-08-08 22:51:53 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

I think I've worked it out.

She's got a perception filter installed. It blanks out anything that does not conform to a specific world view, and overlays it with a flashing sign labelled 'Gallente lies'.

I thought about making a serious post regarding the Haatomo incident, but... there's not much point, as she wouldn't actually respond anyway.

There are two distinct things: one is a fact. And second is a lie. Your barking about me, for example, are obvious lies. And they won't become truth anyway, despite amount of drool you leak.

I never 'blanked' any facts, except in some rotten gallentean-infused minds. The only lies were groundless guesses and assumptions. I don't need to waste my time on proving them wrong, since they are groundless and worthless.

For example, that CEP accused Tibus Heth in terrorism is a fact.
That Tibus Heth is a terrorist isn't a fact.

That you insult your opponent and can't conduct civilized discussion is a fact.
That I wouldn't respond to your... akhem... 'serious' post, isn't a fact: unfortunately, even incompetent barkers are allowed to speak here and I have to reply to point out that whatever they 'speak' is not correct.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security
#85 - 2013-08-08 23:08:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

I think I've worked it out.

She's got a perception filter installed. It blanks out anything that does not conform to a specific world view, and overlays it with a flashing sign labelled 'Gallente lies'.

I thought about making a serious post regarding the Haatomo incident, but... there's not much point, as she wouldn't actually respond anyway.

There are two distinct things: one is a fact. And second is a lie. Your barking about me, for example, are obvious lies. And they won't become truth anyway, despite amount of drool you leak.

I never 'blanked' any facts, except in some rotten gallentean-infused minds. The only lies were groundless guesses and assumptions. I don't need to waste my time on proving them wrong, since they are groundless and worthless.

For example, that CEP accused Tibus Heth in terrorism is a fact.
That Tibus Heth is a terrorist isn't a fact.

That you insult your opponent and can't conduct civilized discussion is a fact.
That I wouldn't respond to your... akhem... 'serious' post, isn't a fact: unfortunately, even incompetent barkers are allowed to speak here and I have to reply to point out that whatever they 'speak' is not correct.


Dammit Kim! I know this doesn't mean much coming from a person from a race you seem to have an irrational hatred for but think about it: Heth is almost certain to be convicted if and when he is captured if only for forcing the tea maker ceremony on Yanala! That's effectively murder and seeing as how she's effectively a modern version of that Caldari admiral in terms of popularity with your people, it will not end well for Heth. Look what happened to the Ray of Matar's killer: a 36-hour trial which ended with him being executed by firing squad. I'm fairly certain Heth will at the absolute minimum spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of getting out.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-08-09 03:28:50 UTC
Alex Etolle wrote:

Dammit Kim! I know this doesn't mean much coming from a person from a race you seem to have an irrational hatred for but think about it:

What you see as irrational is only because gallenteans can't see beyond their own nose. If you can't comprehend the concept, it doesn't mean that this concept is irrational. I could have started to show rational part of it, but I don't think it could break through all that wall of gallentean propaganda.

Alex Etolle wrote:

Heth is almost certain to be convicted if and when he is captured if only for forcing the tea maker ceremony on Yanala! That's effectively murder and seeing as how she's effectively a modern version of that Caldari admiral in terms of popularity with your people, it will not end well for Heth. Look what happened to the Ray of Matar's killer: a 36-hour trial which ended with him being executed by firing squad. I'm fairly certain Heth will at the absolute minimum spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of getting out.

I always wondered how gallenteand depict tea ceremony: a couple of officers are holding Yanala, while Tibus Heth poured tea in her mouth? Well, that could be a murder. The difference between Ray of Matar's killer and Tibus Heth, is that Ray of Matar's killer did actual killing: he pulled the trigger. And Heth-haan only brought possibility for the Admiral to avoid the tribunal and save her own honor. She pulled the trigger herself, not Heth-haan.

Tibus Heth actually saved Admiral Yanala from the tribunal, that she had very slim chances of winning. On the other hand, Tibus Heth has all the chances, since the charges against him are fabricated, and the hearing in the tribunal will show it. Of course, your, gallentean court, may consider him guilty. But face this simple fact: the ceremony is not the murder, it is the suicide.

As for the reasons she agreed to take it, you, as a gallentean, will never understand them. And thus you will think that she died only because she was murdered. And that's why your people will never understand that Tibus Heth is not guilty. But, luckily, you with your kin has no authority to judge Tibus Heth. So, talk as much as you want, he will be judged by our tribunal, but not your deranged 'peoples'.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#87 - 2013-08-09 08:43:26 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tibus Heth actually saved Admiral Yanala from the tribunal, that she had very slim chances of winning. On the other hand, Tibus Heth has all the chances, since the charges against him are fabricated, and the hearing in the tribunal will show it. Of course, your, gallentean court, may consider him guilty. But face this simple fact: the ceremony is not the murder, it is the suicide.

As for the reasons she agreed to take it, you, as a gallentean, will never understand them. And thus you will think that she died only because she was murdered. And that's why your people will never understand that Tibus Heth is not guilty. But, luckily, you with your kin has no authority to judge Tibus Heth. So, talk as much as you want, he will be judged by our tribunal, but not your deranged 'peoples'.


Not sure where you get the idea that Yanala had no chance of winning a tribunal case.

All right, I have time to kill. Let's go through the facts, shall we? The telemetry from the Shiigeru demonstrates that Yanala did her best to minimise the damage of the crash. Support for her actions throughout the State has been - and still is - extremely high.

Now, why is Heth guilty? Fine, I'll play your game and agree that he hasn't been convicted, thus by the letter of the law, he isn't guilty yet. Let me rephrase - what evidence points towards his guilt? His actions have not been those of an innocent man. He lied about Yanala's fate, attempting to cover it up as a clone failure, when he himself knew very well that it had been nothing of the sort.

XO Erinen's testimony provides the damning evidence here. I won't go into the question of the tea itself, because as an outsider, there's cultural undertones lost on me. The rest of it is pretty revealing though. Heth definitely ordered the use of an Oblivion doomsday device upon Caldari Prime, which Yanala refused. It has yet to be explained to me why using a weapon of that magnitude upon Caldari Prime is compatible with Heth's stated desire to reclaim the planet. The implication is that Yanala came to the same conclusion, and denounced Heth and the entire Provist movement prior to her death.

He then subsequently covered matters up when he realised that popular opinion was against him in this matter. If he really believed he was in the right, would he have felt the need to do that?

Of course, he was correct about popular opinion.Very correct, in fact. His own statements do not support your 'would not pass tribunal' assessment, I'll also point out.

At this point, it is a fact that Heth left his post. You'll note that no charges have been brought against him, and indeed the only statements made from any other than the common workforce have been cautious. Certainly things were operating behind the scenes, but whatever else he may have been, Heth was a capable politician. His rise to power certainly demonstrates that. There are two possibilities as to his sudden disappearance, then; either he concluded that he had no hope of surviving the ensuing battle, and withdrew before it commenced; or threats were already being made and he did not have enough support to stand against them. Neither case speaks strongly of his innocence. Heth's control of the CEP and the State in general had been absolute for a long time; if this was merely a case of some rowdy workers getting angry over some bad PR, he could have recovered easily enough.

His next actions were extremely dubious. The man technically owned the station, yes - but why take the military strongarm approach, then? Furthermore, he was operating in conjunction with the Templis Dragonaurs, an outlawed terrorist organisation. Openly working with the Dragonaurs alone should be enough to demand an inquiry. The involvement of the Caldari Navy was demanded if only to deal with the Dragonaurs; the fact that Heth had also commandeered the station by force, and unleashed his troops on any who resisted, is also worthy of inquiry.

Given the number of capsuleers (including yourself) who swarmed to the scene, and knowing Heth's style, I'd be surprised if any communication between him and the Navy forces had been kept secret. Either way, the Navy decided that Heth needed containing, and Heth made no statements, speeches or instructions. He was still technically the Executor at this point, and in theory could have commanded the Navy to back down. Whether it would have obeyed or not is a different question.

Wow, never run out of space before. Continued in next post.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#88 - 2013-08-09 09:11:44 UTC
The mood was clearly against Heth at that point. It's possible that anyone in favour of the man was simply not interviewed, but the ISC tends to be impartial, from what I've seen. We do not know the content of the negotiations, but the fact that they continued says little good about the strength of Heth's position. He remained locked up and made no public statements aside from his aim to reclaim Caldari Prime. I'll get to that one in a minute.

Four days after taking the station, the CEP made its move. It was also two weeks after he vanished from view, along with much of the Provist movement, and failed to attend the CEP meeting on Yanala. By absenting himself, he made no defence for his actions, and then made a series of questionable moves in the Haatomo incident. The number of charges against him had risen pretty high at this point, and I would offer that regardless of anything else, Heth would be required to step down as Executor at least temporarily, while those charges were faced. An empire cannot be led by a man who has been accused of being a murderer and terrorist by his own people and government until those charges have been dealt with.

It took another five days for the Navy to attack. Nine days of occupation, negotiation and behind-the-scenes talks. A peaceful solution was definitely attempted, but we can ascertain that Heth was not interested. Whether or not the reasoning stated, about impending danger if the siege was prolonged, was correct is not for me to say. I'm trying to keep speculation to a minimum here.

There's not much more on record of note here. The Executor position was erased, of course, and the Providence Directive disbanded. The last news-based point to make lies in the final paragraph of this article, which gives a definite account that the vast majority of the population has turned against Heth, leaving just a few die-hards, like yourself.

Now, let's leave that side for a moment and consider the proposed strike on Caldari Prime from Haatomo. The only reason the Shiigeru managed to get into orbit of the planet was Shakor's crippling assault on Yulai shutting down the normal interdiction methods. At that point, the ship was effectively its own hostage situation, and nothing could be done about it until recently. The Republic/Federation incidents in Colelie show that the Gallente navy is more than capable of intercepting interlopers in its borders, and (in the first incident, at least), the DED is pretty rapid as well. If you cast your mind back to Kador incident, the Gallente reaction was incredibly swift and brutal. Heth's fleet was estimated at around a hundred ships, including several capitals - the likelihood of it actually achieving anything is tiny. Furthermore, it would be in direct violation of the Yulai accords and an illegal act in its own right. Seriously proposing it does not say anything particularly good about Heth's strategic planning and overall sanity at the time.

There. I have tried to keep speculation to a minimum, except where it favours Heth. The final analysis is still deeply dubious for him. The alternative is to assume a grand-scale plot enacted by the CEP, the Caldari Navy, the ISC, significant amounts of the civilian population, and possibly Yanala herself, all with the aim of ousting Heth.

I must invoke the old logical construct of the razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Your move.
Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security
#89 - 2013-08-09 09:50:59 UTC
Thank you Repentence. As for Kim insulting my ignorance on the Tea Maker's ceremony, I obviously was not clear what I meant by murder. Yes, I know it is effectively an honorable suicide according to Caldari society, what I mean is that Yanala didn't have much of a choice because the option to not drink the poisoned tea would most likely have the poor woman in a potentially worse situation than simply dying. I don't know the specifics on how quick and painless it would be to die from the tea, but considering how Heth insisted on Yanala going through the Tea Maker's Ceremony, I suspect declining would end up with Yanala in a far worse situation where either she wishes she were dead, or she goes through an extremely painful death. I still can't believe Heth was arrogant enough to plan an attempt to invade Gallente space. I understand how badly the Caldari want their home back, but the only reason you got it last time was because of the Elder fleet attacking Yulai. A second invasion would not end well for Heth, especially with CONCORD actually not being preoccupied this time and most likely intercepting Heth's little invasion fleet if he managed to start his invasion.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#90 - 2013-08-09 12:33:53 UTC
I love it when you go on a long, rampaging review of recent events first thing in the morning just to cut someone up with that old razor.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#91 - 2013-08-09 14:37:20 UTC
I should like to point out that the tradition of using the Tea Maker's Ceremony as a way to protest the actions of ones' lord is almost as old a tradition as the ceremony itself. When one is faced with two despicable choices - to take a loathesome action, or to disobey the edicts of ones' sejikiin - many of our greatest have chosen a cup of tea instead. In recent years, our executives have often taken the path of retirement as a means of protest as well, which is also respectable.

The revered Admiral took that choice she felt was most appropriate to the situation, and Tibus Heth was good to facilitate this for her - he could have been far, far worse.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-08-09 15:57:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Suuli. while you and I agree on much, I don't think it can reasonably be said that it "could have been worse" when a dictator gives somebody a choice between obedient suicide and defiant execution, and they choose defiant suicide.

As honourable as the ancient use of the Tea as a mode of protest may be, it was always, and remains, a catastrophic waste of a competent, experienced and principled individual.

Whether she drank the tea as repentance for ever following Heth, as repentance for not following him, or else had refused and wound up being shot, the fact is that the death of Visera Yanala is just such a catastrophic waste. The fact that she was able to turn his proferred method of suicide into an act of defiance rather than of obedience does nothing to mitigate that.

She sacrificed herself to destroy him. THAT's the bit that softens the blow, and the reason why she'll be remembered as one of the State's heroes.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#93 - 2013-08-09 16:14:29 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Suuli. while you and I agree on much, I don't think it can reasonably be called "not so bad" when a dictator gives somebody a choice between obedient suicide and defiant execution, and they choose defiant suicide.

As honourable as the ancient use of the Tea as a mode of protest may be, it was always, and remains, a catastrophic waste of a competent, experienced and principled individual.

Whether she drank the tea as repentance for ever following Heth, as repentance for not following him, or else had refused and wound up being shot, the fact is that the death of Visera Yanala is just such a catastrophic waste. The fact that she was able to turn his proferred method of suicide into an act of defiance rather than of obedience does nothing to mitigate that.

She sacrificed herself to destroy him. THAT's the bit that softens the blow, and the reason why she'll be remembered as one of the State's heroes.


Sorry, suuolo, I suppose it wasn't clear. I meant that Tibus Heth was good in allowing her that choice, instead of all of the things that he could have done to ensure her silence and compliance.

Her loss is a tragedy, but I wouldn't call it a waste. She's brought brighter skies to us all, and taught us a hard lesson. I don't think she would be unsatisfied with this conclusion, and it would be unfair of us to ask more of her than we already have.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-08-09 16:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Well said, although I'd still argue that it wasn't so much "good of him" as "very slightly less unforgiveable".

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#95 - 2013-08-09 17:25:42 UTC
A martyr's death is rarely a waste.
Wisdom is in your words, Scherezad-haani.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-08-10 00:17:18 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Not sure where you get the idea that Yanala had no chance of winning a tribunal case.

All right, I have time to kill. Let's go through the facts, shall we? The telemetry from the Shiigeru demonstrates that Yanala did her best to minimise the damage of the crash. Support for her actions throughout the State has been - and still is - extremely high.

According to words of Heth-haan, she disobeyed a direct order and allowed her ship to be destroyed by Gallente forces. It is practically impossible to defend yourself when you disobey a direct order. When you do such a thing you know, that you risk your own life.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

Now, why is Heth guilty?

You have no authority to declare him guilty. And I am quite content that creations like you are not allowed to be judges in our tribunal. Knowing that, I can sleep safe.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Fine, I'll play your game and agree that he hasn't been convicted, thus by the letter of the law, he isn't guilty yet. Let me rephrase - what evidence points towards his guilt? His actions have not been those of an innocent man. He lied about Yanala's fate, attempting to cover it up as a clone failure, when he himself knew very well that it had been nothing of the sort.

That's better. Maybe there's still a chance that you could speak with reason instead of barking.
But, as I said, you will never be his judge, so your 'evidences' are not important. You can keep them for yourself.
Only our tribunal have authority to judge him, and your voice is, luckily, void.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

XO Erinen's testimony provides the damning evidence here. I won't go into the question of the tea itself, because as an outsider, there's cultural undertones lost on me. The rest of it is pretty revealing though. Heth definitely ordered the use of an Oblivion doomsday device upon Caldari Prime, which Yanala refused. It has yet to be explained to me why using a weapon of that magnitude upon Caldari Prime is compatible with Heth's stated desire to reclaim the planet. The implication is that Yanala came to the same conclusion, and denounced Heth and the entire Provist movement prior to her death.

There were fighting on the planet and orbital bombing of selected targets could have helped our troops. I don't think that firing oblivion on the planet was planned. Well, only if there was a bit too large concentration of gallentean forces?
Anyway, I don't have strategical maps and plans for the operation. And I can bet with my head that you don't have them as well, so further speculations on targets of planetary strike is pointless.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
He then subsequently covered matters up when he realised that popular opinion was against him in this matter. If he really believed he was in the right, would he have felt the need to do that?

Popular opinion is insignificant. This is not a freaking democracy. Information is available on a need to know basis.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-08-10 00:29:46 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
A martyr's death is rarely a waste.


I would have argued that the only way to become a martyr is to be wasted. Martyrdom is the salvaging of some value and inspiration from a tragic death.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-08-10 00:31:56 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

Of course, he was correct about popular opinion.Very correct, in fact. His own statements do not support your 'would not pass tribunal' assessment, I'll also point out.

This is not your lovely rotted Federation. The Tribunal does not regard public opinion, only facts and laws.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

At this point, it is a fact that Heth left his post. You'll note that no charges have been brought against him, and indeed the only statements made from any other than the common workforce have been cautious. Certainly things were operating behind the scenes, but whatever else he may have been, Heth was a capable politician. His rise to power certainly demonstrates that. There are two possibilities as to his sudden disappearance, then; either he concluded that he had no hope of surviving the ensuing battle, and withdrew before it commenced; or threats were already being made and he did not have enough support to stand against them. Neither case speaks strongly of his innocence. Heth's control of the CEP and the State in general had been absolute for a long time; if this was merely a case of some rowdy workers getting angry over some bad PR, he could have recovered easily enough.

Obviously Heth-haan was busy elsewhere doing certain tasks for the State, because everything what he does, he does for the State. You have no idea, what he was doing during this time, so could you just shut up about him simply leaving his post?
Well... I am afraid I am asking a bit too much from a gallentean lapdog. Of course, you can continue. But, as I pointed out earlier, I am pretty content, that your words will remain only empty vibrations of the air.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

His next actions were extremely dubious. The man technically owned the station, yes - but why take the military strongarm approach, then? Furthermore, he was operating in conjunction with the Templis Dragonaurs, an outlawed terrorist organisation. Openly working with the Dragonaurs alone should be enough to demand an inquiry. The involvement of the Caldari Navy was demanded if only to deal with the Dragonaurs; the fact that Heth had also commandeered the station by force, and unleashed his troops on any who resisted, is also worthy of inquiry.

And this is quite simple. I don't know how you can't understand it, but well, not everyone is born for this. The station was requisition for military needs as being a base for following attack on the Federation. Templis Dragonaurs, obviously, had enough military strength to be used in the operation. It is better to recruit them and use them in the interests of the State, then let them do whatever they want, right?

Besides, those, who were terrorists in Dragonaurs, have died more than a hundred of years ago.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

Given the number of capsuleers (including yourself) who swarmed to the scene, and knowing Heth's style, I'd be surprised if any communication between him and the Navy forces had been kept secret. Either way, the Navy decided that Heth needed containing, and Heth made no statements, speeches or instructions. He was still technically the Executor at this point, and in theory could have commanded the Navy to back down. Whether it would have obeyed or not is a different question.

I really have no idea what happened there. I was waiting for orders from him, just like everyone else. But, well, opsec. I am just a soldier, I can't demand orders or plans from superiors. Just like the rest of the Navy.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-08-10 00:51:19 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
The mood was clearly against Heth at that point. It's possible that anyone in favour of the man was simply not interviewed, but the ISC tends to be impartial, from what I've seen. We do not know the content of the negotiations, but the fact that they continued says little good about the strength of Heth's position. He remained locked up and made no public statements aside from his aim to reclaim Caldari Prime. I'll get to that one in a minute.

He was planning the attack on the Federation. There is really nothing to be discussed or going public about. The military operation is a military operation, not a political move.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

Four days after taking the station, the CEP made its move. It was also two weeks after he vanished from view, along with much of the Provist movement, and failed to attend the CEP meeting on Yanala. By absenting himself, he made no defence for his actions, and then made a series of questionable moves in the Haatomo incident. The number of charges against him had risen pretty high at this point, and I would offer that regardless of anything else, Heth would be required to step down as Executor at least temporarily, while those charges were faced. An empire cannot be led by a man who has been accused of being a murderer and terrorist by his own people and government until those charges have been dealt with.

Because he was busy in the military operation! And while he was absent, working on a crucial for the State mission, the CEP has betrayed him! He had much more important things to do: to defeat the Federation, and defending himself against ridiculous CEP claims definitely wasn't a priority. CEP meeting on Yanala is not important business. Defeating the Federation is!

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

It took another five days for the Navy to attack. Nine days of occupation, negotiation and behind-the-scenes talks. A peaceful solution was definitely attempted, but we can ascertain that Heth was not interested. Whether or not the reasoning stated, about impending danger if the siege was prolonged, was correct is not for me to say. I'm trying to keep speculation to a minimum here.

This was an obvious coup d'etat, planned by CEP. They have used the Navy to execute their orders. But there's nothing we can do now about it. Currently the State and yours truly are under their jurisdiction. Going against CEP now would mean treason, unfortunately. Only Heth-haan himself can put them down, if he will declare them as traitors and their decisions as unlawful and ineffective. Either with declaration and force, or through charges with help of CBT.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

There's not much more on record of note here. The Executor position was erased, of course, and the Providence Directive disbanded. The last news-based point to make lies in the final paragraph of this article, which gives a definite account that the vast majority of the population has turned against Heth, leaving just a few die-hards, like yourself.

Well, unfortunately, they have won this coup d'etat by force, and had to clean after this. I doubt they could win it through tribunal decision, more like, they couldn't. But Heth-haan still can win against them. As I said, you don't need opinion of population to do this. CEP never asked citizens, nor Heth-haan will need to ask them. Just use the law and facts. And force.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-08-10 01:18:09 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

Now, let's leave that side for a moment and consider the proposed strike on Caldari Prime from Haatomo. The only reason the Shiigeru managed to get into orbit of the planet was Shakor's crippling assault on Yulai shutting down the normal interdiction methods. At that point, the ship was effectively its own hostage situation, and nothing could be done about it until recently. The Republic/Federation incidents in Colelie show that the Gallente navy is more than capable of intercepting interlopers in its borders, and (in the first incident, at least), the DED is pretty rapid as well. If you cast your mind back to Kador incident, the Gallente reaction was incredibly swift and brutal. Heth's fleet was estimated at around a hundred ships, including several capitals - the likelihood of it actually achieving anything is tiny. Furthermore, it would be in direct violation of the Yulai accords and an illegal act in its own right. Seriously proposing it does not say anything particularly good about Heth's strategic planning and overall sanity at the time.

This could be done without assault on Yulai easily, but this assault saved us numerous lives and resources. Caldari Navy is way more superior than federation forces, and the direct assault on the tripwire with full force would let us to break them. Unfortunately, with losses, but the operation would be successful. I don't have plans of the operation on hands, but I guess everything was taken into consideration.

It wouldn't be illegal act, since the Federation first attacked our planet outside of CEWPA, and thus has started the war everywhere. It is our duty to reply to them and bring the war to their worlds now.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

There. I have tried to keep speculation to a minimum, except where it favours Heth. The final analysis is still deeply dubious for him. The alternative is to assume a grand-scale plot enacted by the CEP, the Caldari Navy, the ISC, significant amounts of the civilian population, and possibly Yanala herself, all with the aim of ousting Heth.

Caldari Navy only follows orders. Admiral Yanala was supporter of Heth-haan, the ISC are pro-gallentean and will put anything to public that will hurt the State.
It was the plot of only CEP to hold their power. Just as it was plot of the Federation to kill our citizens on Caldari Prime in the last battle for the planet.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
I must invoke the old logical construct of the razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

The simplest explanation possible:
CEP's desire for power.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

Your move.

You will see one, if you meet me in person.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.