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Bloody Hands on Atlanins

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Anslo
Scope Works
#141 - 2013-08-09 11:35:37 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:

Mhmm, my loyalties were no different before I "caught your eye," nor were my convictions. Colelie had already happened and I had already voiced my views on that event when I "caught your eye." Nothing about me or what I've said has changed since before I "caught your eye," other than that I have mellowed a bit. I actually spoke more vehemently against the Federation before Colelie happened, which I'm sure Akahoshi will recognize since she has been surprised by my not agreeing with her on the dissolution of the alliance.


You "use" quotes too much, in such a way to "use" them to try and point out a fallacy that isn't actually there. Try "using" them correctly.

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I've never claimed to be justified in anything, though, Anslo. I've merely explained how things are and why I do what I do and why I did what I did. Sometimes those reasons lead to doing something that is flat out wrong. These are called mistakes. But that's a risk I take by acting on my beliefs, my convictions, and my loyalties, and it's a risk I'm willing to take in order to work towards trying to make things better for my people. Yes, my people take priority over any other people in the cluster, not because I think they're inherently superior to any other people, but because they're my people.

Your convictions in trying to mess with our systems and laws in OUR territory cost a lot of lives that didn't need taking out. And everytime that gets brought up, you bring up your ******* useless convictions. Guess what? No one else cares. Action was executed, reaction is at hand.

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And, Anslo, you're welcome to try to prove that I'm crazy, but you'll fail just as hard as you failed last time when you linked to a bunch of posts where I was stating the exact opposite of what you claim I said.

I don't have to. You prove that you're crazy just by talking. A few posts ago you said something was a good idea, Akahoshi agreed, then you changed your mind and said 'Ah but this is a bad idea because....' IF that's the case why the hell did you even talk?

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I'd also note something I just noticed when looking back at your previous attempts throw around false accusations about me. I hadn't really noticed it befre, but you, yourself, claimed to have had a psychotic breakdown around the time I declined your date request.

Oh yeah, I still do. I've had 'em for a while, but your ego keeps having you think you're the center of it all. Hun, you're a drop in the bucket from all the other **** going on. Don't cise yourself up.

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Maybe my declining your date didn't cause the psychotic breakdown, but the two things coinciding clearly explain where you developed this irrational and unfounded hatred for me. You are clearly unstable and you need to get some real help before you continue destroying yourself with this irrational, unfounded, and unnecessary hatred. I'm honestly growing concerned for you, Anslo. At first, I did think this was just some childish, hormonal tantrum you were throwing, but now I see how seriously you are in need of psychiatric help. Please get help, Anslo.


Help? You're funny old lady. You make inferences based on circumstantial evidence as opposed to real facts. You claim loyalty and convictions as your raison d'etre when really these are no better reasons than the Amarr make for enslaving your people. You walk around as if you are infallible and the center of the universe when you are simply a narcissistic **** using circumstances to twist to your benefit for all the world like a third rate Gallente politician.

What you see as insanity is what I see as intelligence. Because I don't fit your norms of an academic or gentlemen, I am suddenly in need of help? When compared to you, the venomous harpy of a belligerent, spewing anti-Federal bullshit I seem to have not noticed until 10,000+ lives were killed because of a Matari's hissy fit? I must say, who is the unstable one Musana? IF I asked those around here, who do you think they would say is more stable in this situation.

Go back to Black Rise and continue to lose ships. Debate and rhetoric are not your strong points. Perhaps while you seek help for your egotism, you should consider getting help in being able to better present arguments with facts, not circumstances depending on the other side having a school yard crush on you.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#142 - 2013-08-09 19:50:09 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Your convictions in trying to mess with our systems and laws in OUR territory cost a lot of lives that didn't need taking out.


Wait, when did I get put in charge of the Republic? I'm not the one who ordered the Naglfars into Federation space, nor would I have done so.

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And everytime that gets brought up, you bring up your ******* useless convictions. Guess what? No one else cares. Action was executed, reaction is at hand.


You're wrong here, actually. People do care why we supported out fleet, else they wouldn't have asked why. Yeah, some people, like you, don't care. You just want to throw around your own assumptions as to why we did what we did and ignore the truth.

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I don't have to.


You're wrong again, hon. You made a claim. It's on you to prove your claim is true.

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A few posts ago you said something was a good idea, Akahoshi agreed, then you changed your mind and said 'Ah but this is a bad idea because....' IF that's the case why the hell did you even talk?


Incorrect. I did not say it was "a good idea." I said it is something that I would prefer if it were reasonable to do so. After her comment, I simply explained why it's sadly not reasonable. If thinking about possibilities, recognizing their appeal, and then also recognizing why it won't actually work under current circumstances is crazy, then it seems we need more "crazy" people in charge in this cluster.

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Oh yeah, I still do. I've had 'em for a while, but your ego keeps having you think you're the center of it all.


Not at all. If you read what I said, and I mean actually read it, not just make things up in your head and then respond to your delusions, you'll see that I said that the psychotic breakdown you're having seems to be the source of your extreme reaction to me turning you down, not that my turning you down caused your psychotic breakdown.

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#143 - 2013-08-09 20:28:03 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You claim loyalty and convictions as your raison d'etre when really these are no better reasons than the Amarr make for enslaving your people.


They may not be, but they're my reasons and I have to live by them. I never claimed that my reasons are superior to anyone else's, nor have I claimed that everything I do is right. Most of what I do is right according to the culture I grew up in, but I'm not even close to perfect by those standards. Can you say the same for your own culture's standards when you're even paying slavers, pirates, and people like Diana Kim to kill baseliners aboard my ships out of some petty grudge you hold against me?

As for beyond that, well, none of us are privy to whatever ultimate, immutable morality there may or may not be, which means none of us, not even you, little Anslo, can judge on that criteria.

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when you are simply a narcissistic ****


The only one here who seems to be obsessed with me is you, Anslo.

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What you see as insanity is what I see as intelligence. Because I don't fit your norms of an academic or gentlemen, I am suddenly in need of help? When compared to you, the venomous harpy of a belligerent, spewing anti-Federal bullshit I seem to have not noticed until 10,000+ lives were killed because of a Matari's hissy fit? I must say, who is the unstable one Musana? IF I asked those around here, who do you think they would say is more stable in this situation.


Academic or gentleman? I'm not even sure what you mean by "gentleman." Is that some Gallentean high-society crap? As for academic, you're certainly more of an academic than I am, and my definition of academic pretty much boils down to "You attended a university."

For someone who comes from a society that praises its ability to openly criticize itself (and anything else it wants to), you sure seem to have a problem with anyone criticizing the Federation.

The funny part is, what I speak most "beligerently" about in regards to the Federation is their mistreatment of the Matari, both in and out of the Federation, which is a cause you, yourself, often champion. But, because Colelie happened, I'm suddenly a "venomous harpy" for speaking out against such mistreatment, while you still see yourself as a totally sane "knight in shining armor."

Now, I doubt you'll read this part, but I'll go ahead and say it yet again for the benefit of your thick little skull. Based on what we know, Colelie was not justified. I can see no legitimate reason why it should have happened, and I wish we could've convinced the Republic Fleet to give up and turn around, even if it would've set a negative precedence politically, and I wish even more that the Republic Fleet hadn't been sent at all. That said, I did what I felt I had to do in the situation, and it left me with a lot of sleepless nights.

But I will not let that mistake, that tragedy, stop me from defending my people against Gallentean ideology and actions that have been going on since long before Colelie, because no matter how unjustified Colelie was, it does not justify the negative treatment our people have received from the Gallente, and the help the Gallente have given us doesn't justify it either.

But I'm also smart enough to know that while an alliance with the Federation may not be the most palatable, it is our best option. There's a reason I don't jump on Ms. Akahoshi's bandwagon.

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Go back to Black Rise and continue to lose ships.


Pretty sure I'm doing more to help the Federation in their battle with their enemy than you are, hon.

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you should consider getting help in being able to better present arguments with facts


Here's the thing, dear. I'm not making any claims. You are. The burden of proof and evidence is on you.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#144 - 2013-08-09 20:44:00 UTC
Good grief. Would the two of you go get your own thread for this pointless back and forth nonsense already?

Or, perhaps, a room? Because with all the mud-slinging and name-calling and insults going on here between you two, it's looking like being locked in a room together for a couple hours of loud, angry sex might actually help the both of you chill the **** out.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#145 - 2013-08-09 21:57:58 UTC
Immediately after the Coleile incident, Elsebeth Rhiannon outlined the whys and what fors of Electus Matari's involvement.

Anyone wishing to know these whys and hows with regards to Electus Matari should go reread that thread. If we didnt say it there, it is because we don't know either. Got it?

Any other whys and hows - such as those of Republic leadership or the Tribal Council - are nothing more than conjecture, and are of benefit to no one. We know no more than anyone else does. Period.

We dont know. Neither do any of you. Now drop it.

Everyone should probably step away from the IGS now and stop posting, and go pet a cat or something, for ****'s sake. This argument passed tiresome, stupid, and mindnumbing about two months ago. No one is changing anyone else's mind, so stop behaving like children and either 1) kill each other or 2) get over your argument and move on.



Ava

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2013-08-09 23:36:19 UTC
That's very nice.

In any case, since it's obvious where the Anslo-Musana show is heading, I'm perfectly willing to step up and collect bets.

Current odds:
1:4 that one of the pair destroys the other's ship in the next week
5:1 that they end up sleeping together before the month is out
10:1 that afterwards "Pulling an Electus Matari at Colelie" becomes a new euphemism for rough sex among the Federation jet-set.

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#147 - 2013-08-10 05:28:31 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
That's very nice.

In any case, since it's obvious where the Anslo-Musana show is heading, I'm perfectly willing to step up and collect bets.

Current odds:
1:4 that one of the pair destroys the other's ship in the next week
5:1 that they end up sleeping together before the month is out
10:1 that afterwards "Pulling an Electus Matari at Colelie" becomes a new euphemism for rough sex among the Federation jet-set.

I will take 500,000,000 at 5 to1!

Personally I think they will make a cute if not boisterous couple.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#148 - 2013-08-10 22:52:20 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
5:1 that they end up sleeping together before the month is out



You'd best give it longer odds than that, hon. The reason I turned him down in the first place is I'm not into men and Anslo wasn't willing to have a female clone made.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#149 - 2013-08-10 23:01:35 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
5:1 that they end up sleeping together before the month is out



You'd best give it longer odds than that, hon. The reason I turned him down in the first place is I'm not into men and Anslo wasn't willing to have a female clone made.


Should we take from that that if he had done a flip, you'd have jumped him? That's kind of how it sounds from your phrasing, hon.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#150 - 2013-08-10 23:03:26 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Katarina Musana wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
5:1 that they end up sleeping together before the month is out



You'd best give it longer odds than that, hon. The reason I turned him down in the first place is I'm not into men and Anslo wasn't willing to have a female clone made.


Should we take from that that if he had done a flip, you'd have jumped him? That's kind of how it sounds from your phrasing, hon.


I'm now imagining Anslo as a girl. I am also unable to stop laughing.

Whether it's because it's hilarious or adorable, I'm not sure which. Possibly both.

Make it stop.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#151 - 2013-08-10 23:06:55 UTC
It gets even more funny if you picture him as a Quafe Girl.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#152 - 2013-08-10 23:11:05 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
It gets even more funny if you picture him as a Quafe Girl.

I don't find the mental image of "Ansla" with **** larger than his head to be all that funny or attractive, really.

Kinda gross, to be honest.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#153 - 2013-08-10 23:14:54 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
It gets even more funny if you picture him as a Quafe Girl.

I don't find the mental image of "Ansla" with **** larger than his head to be all that funny or attractive, really.

Kinda gross, to be honest.


Personally, there's an upper limit on rack sizes before they just get creepy, in my book. Same with muscles. I like both, but you can overdo these things.

For my part, I can see "Ansla" being thoroughly adorable.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#154 - 2013-08-11 10:25:43 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
5:1 that they end up sleeping together before the month is out



You'd best give it longer odds than that, hon. The reason I turned him down in the first place is I'm not into men and Anslo wasn't willing to have a female clone made.


Huh... a female clone of yourself ?
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#155 - 2013-08-11 17:32:20 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Katarina Musana wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
5:1 that they end up sleeping together before the month is out



You'd best give it longer odds than that, hon. The reason I turned him down in the first place is I'm not into men and Anslo wasn't willing to have a female clone made.


Should we take from that that if he had done a flip, you'd have jumped him? That's kind of how it sounds from your phrasing, hon.



Maybe. I'm not saying I wouldn't have. Though I wouldn't now. Anslo's a little too psychotic for my tastes, even if he was a "she."

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For my part, I can see "Ansla" being thoroughly adorable


I know, right?

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Huh... a female clone of yourself ?


Altered-gender clones are something a couple people I know have done.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#156 - 2013-08-12 10:29:51 UTC
Oh right, I understood it differently. I meant, of yourself.