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Where'd Incarna go?

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#61 - 2011-11-11 16:25:04 UTC
Written Word wrote:
Long story short

Carbon platform is a complete and utter failure.


Very untrue, its the whole reason why the winter expansion is so awsome now becuase they can add a new feature and not break everything in the process.

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Soma Khan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-11-11 16:34:06 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Written Word wrote:
Long story short

Carbon platform is a complete and utter failure.


Very untrue, its the whole reason why the winter expansion is so awsome now becuase they can add a new feature and not break everything in the process.
dude youre trying too hard. its a little pathetic
Aquila Draco
#63 - 2011-11-11 16:34:44 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Written Word wrote:
Long story short

Carbon platform is a complete and utter failure.


Very untrue, its the whole reason why the winter expansion is so awsome now becuase they can add a new feature and not break everything in the process.


I think you are one of like 5 ppl (tops) in EVE that actually understand carbonisation and use brain to comprehend what its giving to us...
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#64 - 2011-11-11 16:36:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Soma Khan wrote:
dude youre trying too hard. its a little pathetic


?....

Dude you need to expand your definitions, this was effortless from my perspective.

Trying too hard looks alot like this FnI Idea
Now that is what I like to call trying too hard.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#65 - 2011-11-11 16:37:18 UTC
Soma Khan wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Written Word wrote:
Long story short

Carbon platform is a complete and utter failure.


Very untrue, its the whole reason why the winter expansion is so awsome now becuase they can add a new feature and not break everything in the process.
dude youre trying too hard. its a little pathetic



Also do you know what Carbon project was supposed to do? I recommend looking it up.

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Soma Khan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2011-11-11 16:45:18 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Soma Khan wrote:
dude youre trying too hard. its a little pathetic


?....

i'm talking about you white knighting ccp. looking for a job?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#67 - 2011-11-11 16:57:29 UTC
Those who look upon what I say in such a narrow spanse with a simplified opinion does not understand the fox at all.

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Rusty Waynne
Rusty Waynne Corporation
#68 - 2011-11-11 17:21:46 UTC
It got put on the back burner for the time being because alot of people weren't happy with it and protested by cancelling subscriptions. (I was one of them)
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#69 - 2011-11-11 17:27:39 UTC
Welcome Back, with carbonization mostly complete (im still seeing evidence its not entirely done yet) they should be able to fix alot more things much more quickly than ever before.

Now only if all the npc rats got better AI and gameplayability to teach players maybe they should pvp fit up a bit more.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#70 - 2011-11-11 17:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Seems to me that this is "PLAN-B"

since microtrans flopped big time and CCP realized they couldn't make up for lost revenue by tempting existing players to spend flipping great wadges of cash on digital junk.

So they decided to boost subs the old fashioned way and are fixing and adding all those little things brushed off over the years as "welp thats just the harsh cold reality of eve" and that lost them a bit of young players and decent revenue.

it seems to me to be a choice between getting more cash and keeping eve the murderous playground it was or get new subs by severely reducing the harshness curve for n00bs and bears

bottom line is they need the money and will get it in whatever way works the best for everyone (in theory)
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#71 - 2011-11-11 17:48:09 UTC
Morganta does bring up interesting discussion point.

Its very reasonable reason notion I can agree with. The 80 monocles sold in the first week was 240 months of subs being paid for them, yet its expected that this milestone cannot be met every week and wouldn't surprise me if the number of monocles being sold in the subsequent weeks cannot handel or recuperate the possible pernament loss of est 3,000 subs which would have been much more than the 80 monocles ever where able to replace.

Yet I would not be surprised if CCP continues to expand the microtransaction store and incarna, as arbitarly they did spend alot of money on these things and eventually every item in the NeX store WILL Pay for itself off in raw cost, eventually and then subsequentently start paying incarna off which I imagine was a multi million dollar project that is going have to rely on supposed sub increases due to incarna to pay off.

CCPs focus on FiS probably was attributed to the above, the environment was ripe for harvesting the FiS is though the colmunation of Project Carbon being more completed than to years ago when it started. So with thier largest bottleneck mostly out of the way, and now more than ever before more folks are on working staff that actually wrote most of the game and know its insides and how they work truely should be able to make much more effective and efficent changes with much less breaking of unrelated things.

Art Teams are now back in space with a small section still doing interiors.
Core Team is off of Carbon and Incarna and onto New Eden again.
Network Teams is likely already shifted after Incarna launched to the Dust Project.

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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#72 - 2011-11-11 18:38:41 UTC
One of the problems with Incarna are, that CCP forces themselves into short development circles.

One expansion every 6 month puts a lot of pressure on the teams and the problems with unfinished Dominion, Tyrannis, Incursion and Incarna are, that CCP is willing to cut important features and release unfinished content rather then saying that the 6 month time period is too short to do a proper job and the development have no time to complete their work because, because of development of the next expansion.

Incarna and the NEX store could have been handled differently and if CCP had included the 4 CQ together, in a more complete state and with multiplayer features then it would have been interesting. Now we get the 4 improved CQ but still no multiplayer and the development seems to be on hold indefinatly, which is a shame.

I was defending Incarna and CCP after the release, saying it was just a prototype of the real expansion, but now it seems we will never get the proper Incarna expansion.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#73 - 2011-11-11 18:48:30 UTC
Hopefully to the depths of hell.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#74 - 2011-11-11 18:56:12 UTC
Things that crawl out of hell tend to be very pissed. Just ask Kratos.

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Harlequin Sweetlips
Emergent Entity
#75 - 2011-11-11 18:59:01 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
And no matter how often you say "space barbie", it will not change.

I'm not expecting it to change but for some reason people get really mad about "space barbies" and that's hilarious. I've also started to use "Dolly Dressup" just for some variety but only time will tell if it makes people as mad.


I like the dressing up. More people than you think like the dressing up. Count the number of avatars wearing shirts from the Nex store. Blink
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#76 - 2011-11-11 19:06:53 UTC
I for one would like a better selection of clothes, this is the closest tow hat I would like to have currently.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#77 - 2011-11-11 19:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Harlequin Sweetlips wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
And no matter how often you say "space barbie", it will not change.

I'm not expecting it to change but for some reason people get really mad about "space barbies" and that's hilarious. I've also started to use "Dolly Dressup" just for some variety but only time will tell if it makes people as mad.


I like the dressing up. More people than you think like the dressing up. Count the number of avatars wearing shirts from the Nex store. Blink

well. nex item prices collapsed after the last eve-is-real milestone was reached. Some of them are almost 100 times cheaper as the aur->plex value. No wonder that people are buying the stuff for isk. Goggles are now worth less than one lvl4 mission.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2011-11-11 20:01:22 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Soma Khan wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Written Word wrote:
Long story short

Carbon platform is a complete and utter failure.


Very untrue, its the whole reason why the winter expansion is so awsome now becuase they can add a new feature and not break everything in the process.
dude youre trying too hard. its a little pathetic



carbon is why they can change the UI scalling now

Carbon is why they can put in quick number based balaning changes without messing with code anymore.

Carbon is the tech behind the new shadow engine

Carbon is behind a lot of the planet effects

Carbon is... more stuff too long to list.

did you not watch the core team video blog?

also carbo io and blue net

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#79 - 2011-11-11 20:02:15 UTC
Im saving my Aurum for ship recolors though.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#80 - 2011-11-11 20:31:26 UTC
Carbon in itself == win.
Incarna, WiS, absolute fail MT == fail.

As Morgana mentions, the winter expansion of BIG FiS changes/updates/awesome definitely has a "plan b" feel about it. Not so much that the stuff feels like they're rushing, or that things will be terribad broken ... but in that with all the updates/fixes/new ships/modules/etc it kind of feels like CCP is saying "hey guys! see, we still love you! please come back!"

Not that I'm complaining by any means. The Winter Expansion is just the first steps along a VERY long road for CCP to get back on track. Hopefully they'll stick to "keep people happy" for the following expansions (and DUST).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia