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Ice Prices Thru the Roof!!!!
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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#41 - 2013-08-09 18:36:11 UTC
I cannot wait to see the look on all the currently smug traders/miners that sell will their stockpiles over the next month, only to find out that the interdiction is permanent and Nitrogen Isotopes are on their way to becoming the new technetium.

I would love to know if that 80% number thrown around was for total consumption or balanced for each race's consumption. Cause the number of belts did not change (other than amarr) to reflect each race's respective consumption amounts pre-expansion.

Reduce the number of times a belt is flipped in a day for long enough and effectively the supply can be controlled from the mining done in low and null.

Fozzie's tiny handcuff on the ice market is perfectly ok so long as no organized group of players affects the supply...Shocked
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2013-08-09 18:43:22 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Pff. What kind of sucker uses Caldari towers (and caps) and/or doesn't stock up a year in advance? P

Caldari towers : CHECK 3 large ones
Caldari capitals : CHECK chimera
Stock year in advance:crap only 9 months of fuel left

Blink

Sucker. P
Ok, you get a pass because 9 months will still cover the bump, but you'd better buy some once it goes back to normal or that “sucker” sign will come crashing down…
Dave stark
#43 - 2013-08-09 18:46:11 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Dear Goonswarm.


Oi, Goons. Interdict Amarr ice.

No one uses caldari towers/caps. Drive prices up for something people use.



Love and kisses,
Hiyora Akachi.


why drive prices up for other people when they are sitting on the biggest source of caldari ice in the game?
Seriously?

When they have the biggest pile of it and drive up the price,
they do it for themselves too,
making their stockpile more worth and thus
can make huge profits by selling it again at inflated prices,
which means they crash the market and everybody else has to suffer a loss.

Understood?


Edit:please note that i was just responding to your specific question.

Edit2: Actually sometimes i'm confused about all the things they could do to highsec,
but don't. I knew i would, if i could.


i think you misread it sol... they live in caldari space (so, caldari ice) not amarr (as far as i'm aware).
Dave stark
#44 - 2013-08-09 18:47:45 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

why drive prices up for other people when they are sitting on the biggest source of caldari ice in the game?


I want you to think real hard about what you just said...


i just said it'd make more sense for them to increase the price of ice they have an ample supply of, rather than ice they don't have an ample supply of.

why am i meant to be thinking hard about that?
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#45 - 2013-08-09 19:07:13 UTC
Sir SmashAlot wrote:
I cannot wait to see the look on all the currently smug traders/miners that sell will their stockpiles over the next month, only to find out that the interdiction is permanent and Nitrogen Isotopes are on their way to becoming the new technetium.

I would love to know if that 80% number thrown around was for total consumption or balanced for each race's consumption. Cause the number of belts did not change (other than amarr) to reflect each race's respective consumption amounts pre-expansion.

Reduce the number of times a belt is flipped in a day for long enough and effectively the supply can be controlled from the mining done in low and null.

Fozzie's tiny handcuff on the ice market is perfectly ok so long as no organized group of players affects the supply...Shocked



The 80% figure assumed 1)all being mined, and 2) consumption levels staying the same.

1) is definitely not happening,
2) maybe, maybe not. The war may have caused an increase in null consumption.

Either way, null has plenty of ice to supply both its, and highsec needs.

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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#46 - 2013-08-09 19:39:41 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Sir SmashAlot wrote:
I cannot wait to see the look on all the currently smug traders/miners that sell will their stockpiles over the next month, only to find out that the interdiction is permanent and Nitrogen Isotopes are on their way to becoming the new technetium.

I would love to know if that 80% number thrown around was for total consumption or balanced for each race's consumption. Cause the number of belts did not change (other than amarr) to reflect each race's respective consumption amounts pre-expansion.

Reduce the number of times a belt is flipped in a day for long enough and effectively the supply can be controlled from the mining done in low and null.

Fozzie's tiny handcuff on the ice market is perfectly ok so long as no organized group of players affects the supply...Shocked



The 80% figure assumed 1)all being mined, and 2) consumption levels staying the same.

1) is definitely not happening,
2) maybe, maybe not. The war may have caused an increase in null consumption.

Either way, null has plenty of ice to supply both its, and highsec needs.


Thin margin moon reactants have already moved nicely Big smile It will be interesting to see how the T2 market moves over the next few months.

Will higher T2 ship prices compared to a deflating mineral market keep the large fleet meta in T1 hulls, even after the rebalance changes? Will reaction farms switch to another race of tower and remain competitive (or am I flat wrong in thinking caldari is the way to go with reaction towers)? Will a rise in Caldari Ice price "raise all boats" in a sense making all ice forms more expensive due to more risk adversion? However much of this speculation event is just ice changing hangers and just being stored away?
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-08-09 20:18:38 UTC
Oh God, this is the end.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#48 - 2013-08-09 23:39:18 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
William Walker wrote:
"Evelopedia" wrote:
Nitrogen Isotopes are consumed as fuel by Caldari and Guristas faction control towers. They are also used by Caldari Capital Ships and Black Ops Battleships as jump fuel.


Ids habbeniiiing :DDDD

Wait, the goons have insider knowledge that Black Ops are getting fixed?



They got fixed. Do you see anyone complaining about blops any more? The forum whining about their limited jump range was practically ambient noise. Then their jump range got buffed, now no more complaints. So obviously blops are now OP.

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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-08-12 05:55:17 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
William Walker wrote:
"Evelopedia" wrote:
Nitrogen Isotopes are consumed as fuel by Caldari and Guristas faction control towers. They are also used by Caldari Capital Ships and Black Ops Battleships as jump fuel.


Ids habbeniiiing :DDDD

Wait, the goons have insider knowledge that Black Ops are getting fixed?



They got fixed. Do you see anyone complaining about blops any more? The forum whining about their limited jump range was practically ambient noise. Then their jump range got buffed, now no more complaints. So obviously blops are now OP.



What are "blops"?

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William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#50 - 2013-08-12 06:25:42 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
William Walker wrote:
"Evelopedia" wrote:
Nitrogen Isotopes are consumed as fuel by Caldari and Guristas faction control towers. They are also used by Caldari Capital Ships and Black Ops Battleships as jump fuel.


Ids habbeniiiing :DDDD

Wait, the goons have insider knowledge that Black Ops are getting fixed?



They got fixed. Do you see anyone complaining about blops any more? The forum whining about their limited jump range was practically ambient noise. Then their jump range got buffed, now no more complaints. So obviously blops are now OP.



What are "blops"?


Black Ops -> Blops. It is just one post before the one you quoted.

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Mr Pragmatic
#51 - 2013-08-12 10:40:31 UTC
Eve is dyed.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-08-12 10:49:42 UTC
RIP in peace
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#53 - 2013-08-12 10:59:21 UTC
Sir SmashAlot wrote:
I cannot wait to see the look on all the currently smug traders/miners that sell will their stockpiles over the next month, only to find out that the interdiction is permanent and Nitrogen Isotopes are on their way to becoming the new technetium.




I don't care either way, but this is indeed a silly assertion.

The maximum attention span for things like this is 90 days max.

Besides, they will be so bored waiting out the 4 hour gap in Ice spawns which will be timed differently in every single system involved, I'm almost willing to bet some ISK this lasts only a few days.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2013-08-12 11:13:38 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sir SmashAlot wrote:
I cannot wait to see the look on all the currently smug traders/miners that sell will their stockpiles over the next month, only to find out that the interdiction is permanent and Nitrogen Isotopes are on their way to becoming the new technetium.




I don't care either way, but this is indeed a silly assertion.

The maximum attention span for things like this is 90 days max.

Besides, they will be so bored waiting out the 4 hour gap in Ice spawns which will be timed differently in every single system involved, I'm almost willing to bet some ISK this lasts only a few days.


How much?
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#55 - 2013-08-12 12:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir SmashAlot
baltec1 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sir SmashAlot wrote:
I cannot wait to see the look on all the currently smug traders/miners that sell will their stockpiles over the next month, only to find out that the interdiction is permanent and Nitrogen Isotopes are on their way to becoming the new technetium.




I don't care either way, but this is indeed a silly assertion.

The maximum attention span for things like this is 90 days max.

Besides, they will be so bored waiting out the 4 hour gap in Ice spawns which will be timed differently in every single system involved, I'm almost willing to bet some ISK this lasts only a few days.


How much?


It would be foolish for any organization in EVE that has the ability to cartel any item to not do it. OTEC lasted for more than 90 days.
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