EVE General Discussion

It's not supposed to be realtime gameplay. It's. Just. supposed. To. Be. SOME. Gameplay. as opposed to zero.

Get this into your head: TiDi is not, and was never intended to be, the wardrobe leading to some kind of Sex Narnia. all it does and all that it has ever been intended to, advertised and described as doing was to make the difference between a minimum standard of some gameplay, however lousy, and no gameplay at all. If that minimum standard is below your tolerance threshold, then GTFO and find something else to do where you won't encounter it. It's not hard, EVE is a big game, and fleet fights of that size are the exception, not the rule.

and this whole "the 'massive fleet battle' of EvE online is a LIE." thing is pure nonsense. It DID happen. The fact that it happened in super slow-mo doesn't invalidate the fact that massive fleets were there, battling, in EVE Online.

When four thousand people are all being tracked by the same computer which is having to deal with all of their different ping speeds, you will get problems. End of story. The technology to handle that kind of scenario flawlessly and in realtime simply does not exist, and may never.

So what's happening here is that you've gone into McDonald's, demanded a woolly mammoth steak, and are insulting them when, rather than giving you nothing at all they instead serve you a quarter pounder meal. Never mind that the steak you want simply doesn't exist, never mind that no restaurant in the world could meet that unreasonable request. they haven't given you what you feel you're entitled to and in your world the customer is always right, even if they're asking for unicorn eggs over easy.

Sure, a McDonald's burger is never going to be the equal of a good steak. or even a good burger. But it's still better than nothing at all. And when the other customers point out just what a colossal jackass you're being, you call it "Stockholm Syndrome".

I'm done with you. You've got the kind of stupid that's not cured by an Internet argument.

okay then, and for the nth time: do you have a better idea? if so, then please do say so.

No, what he's describing is having a realistic outlook, which is neither a rationalisation, nor Stockholm syndrome. Having an unrealistic outlook is not the same as being objective observer, but rather being wilfully ignorant about what is actually going on.

…and that is probably a large part of why people are calling you uninformed. It is unsolvable due to human nature. There has been exactly one constant throughout the ten years of EVE (and four decades of multiplayer gaming): if the system can handle N players, N+1 will show up because it's just better (for them) that way.

What TiDi does is ensure that the system can actually handle this. It does not turn huge fleet fights into turn-based gameplay, and it does not cast any kind of negative shadow on the “single universe” design concept. All it does is turn unprecedented large-scale fights into slow-motion fights to keep the game going. Objectively, this is awesome. Subjectively, some people might not like it, but that's their problem and they're free to stay away.

Tippia, your style of debating based on snipping out the main substance of someones comments, and then responding with red-herring obfuscations is why I war-decced you. :)

What compounds your forum fail however is that evidently the extent of your capabilities in EvE are indeed limited to forum warrior only, as you didn't undock (or even log in) during the dec. I submit that I play EvE while you just talk crap on the forums, people should measure the worth of your commentary accordingly.

We totally should, because you totally are.

EvE is a single shard universe. Should CCP expend time and money on developing a server that could handle the incredibly unlikely scenario of every single concurrent subscriber showing up to the same system, warping to the same grid, launching drones and spamming ungrouped weapons at random targets? Is EvE not a real time simulation because it is unable to support this scenario?

Even if it did, what if every player invited a friend to come along on a trial account? Should the server be able to handle that too? What about two friends?

People will always push the limits of the system no matter how powerful or flexible you make it. Your call for "infinite horizontal scaling" is flawed because interaction between players requires exponential growth in processing power. Two players on the same grid require more resources than two players on different grids. Even a magical system that allowed one grid's processing to spread out over every node in the cluster would still hit the limits of available resources eventually and thats why Time Dilation is the solution.

Considering my cell phone about the processing power of a Pentium D desktop ....and better graphics than a lot of the GPUs back then, yeah, peoples are spoiled.

Speaking of which, book tip of the day.

what is strange that THIS GAME heavily uses these "little 11% active characters" and battles they make in every advertisement.
But it's not that all this BBC news, advertisements and all this stuff is important, yea?

I remember last event about low-sec, Nyx and thousand frigates. I was killed there, client crashed and I was not able to return to the system. So i can't say "system works well". Yea, last 0.0 battle shown that system can hold more people (4000?) so i see progress. However i don't agree with your "system works well" and "nothing to do". Either Eve Online is a game of big alliances/big battles and it handles such numbers well or not.

I remember the old soul crushing lag kicking in around 400, they have come a LOT way since then. I remember saying "this is just a little fight, only three hundred or so" than thinking about it ......whao, cool.