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The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement 229
Sir SmashAlot The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement Likes received: 229	#21 - 2013-08-08 23:21:09 UTC 1 In real life markets, you buy when there is blood in the streets. In EVE that is the best time to sell.

xPredat0rz

Project.Nova

The Initiative.

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#22 - 2013-08-09 03:50:22 UTC

Gianath wrote:

Good thing I have stockpiled enough nitrogen isotopes to last my POS 4 years, and I was only a casual miner that started saving up when the ice belt change was first announced.

I suspect that most real miners have enough Caldari ice materials hoarded to meet everybody's needs for a long, long time. It's not like there was any kind of a limit on how much could be mined or stored in station before now.

Its not so much with the current stockpiles you haev now. Its preventing any more from reaching the market.

Considering the cfc controls something insane like 70% of the caldari ice in low and null sec yes you should have seen this coming.

Some people have been stocking up since before the ice belt nerf with nitro topse were 350isk/unit.

Right now before the shooting has truly started we are up to 1k isk/unit.

Go ahead and liquidate your stock piles. I am sure we will put them to good use.

Dave Stark

Likes received: 7,950

#23 - 2013-08-09 05:21:26 UTC

Ersahi Kir wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Ersahi Kir wrote:

It will be interesting to see what kind of ships get used for the interdiction. The obvious choice is the catalyst, but some people may use coercers instead to punish the people who stack therm/kin resists

surely a better choice would be a thrasher with emp ammo?

i ask that because i'm too lazy to eft any fits.

I'll have to check it when I get home. I do remember that EMP ammo has a lot of kinetic damage mixed into it, which is a downer. I also know that the high damage lazer crystals have a lot of heat damage mixed in, so that is a downer too. Either way, neither is a problem that isn't solved by throwing more bodies at the problem.

not to mention, it's an interdiction not a hulkageddon. ganking isn't the only way to stop a miner mining :)

Move along there is nothing here 6,056
Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here Likes received: 6,056	#24 - 2013-08-09 11:05:24 UTC 1 Dave Stark wrote: not to mention, it's an interdiction not a hulkageddon. ganking isn't the only way to stop a miner mining :) If your alliance owns NINE Mackinaw BPOs, however, non-violent interdiction is much less profitable than other methods. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com


Dave Stark Likes received: 7,950	#25 - 2013-08-09 14:06:56 UTC Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Dave Stark wrote: not to mention, it's an interdiction not a hulkageddon. ganking isn't the only way to stop a miner mining :) If your alliance owns NINE Mackinaw BPOs, however, non-violent interdiction is much less profitable than other methods. people mine in things other than retrievers?

Ersahi Kir

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#26 - 2013-08-09 14:14:36 UTC

Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

not to mention, it's an interdiction not a hulkageddon. ganking isn't the only way to stop a miner mining :)

If your alliance owns NINE Mackinaw BPOs, however, non-violent interdiction is much less profitable than other methods.

There is definitely profit to be had, and I think violent interdiction is much more fun.

Osmon Integrated Robotics 86
Markus Navarro Osmon Integrated Robotics Likes received: 86	#27 - 2013-08-09 15:42:06 UTC That would explain the extreme increase in price that hapenned a few days ago. Made a lot of money that day Guess i'm gonna sit on a little fortune for a little while. I sell drones and drones accessories.

Public Haulage And Trade 13
The PiMan Eatme Public Haulage And Trade Likes received: 13	#28 - 2013-08-09 17:25:25 UTC The announcement only mentions Caldari, but apparently we'll see Gallente ice targeted too.

Drax Concrilla

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#29 - 2013-08-09 21:22:34 UTC | Edited by: Drax Concrilla

Ersahi Kir wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Ersahi Kir wrote:

surely a better choice would be a thrasher with emp ammo?

i ask that because i'm too lazy to eft any fits.

No, EMP only has 1 point of kinetic. The breakdown is:

9 EMP damage
2 Explosive damage
1 Kinetic damage

So yes, it should do more damage than lasers because the thermal resist would be stacked against Catties.

Multifrequency is
7 EM
5 Thermal

...for comparison, so you get higher paper DPS with the Coercer but if (that's a big if) the miners properly stack their defenses to counter a Catalyst gank then the EMP S Thrasher will do more actual DPS.

Disclaimer: I did not run the resist scenarios through EFT against various damage profiles, rather I used the simple logic that 11 untanked damage + 1 heavily tanked damage > 7 untanked damage + 5 heavily tanked damage. This is not meant to be an absolute, rather an estimate.

Silvetica Dian

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#30 - 2013-08-10 11:09:40 UTC

High sec ganking has been extensively mathed. Especially in regard to miner ganking. Catalysts are used for a reason. Overheated catalyst guns do more damage before concord arrive than the other destroyers. It isn't just about raw dps or about raw resists but also about how many gun cycles will go off before concord arrives in various levels of security and also whether concord was prepulled elsewhere in the system.
Variation from catalyst will occur for the following reasons.
scout ship scan reveals resist stacking.
Not enough people to carry out the gank thus using cruisers or tornados instead.
Ignorance of the extensive theory and in game testing that shows catalyst to be the best tool for the job.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Dead's Prostitutes The Initiative. 953
Xearal Dead's Prostitutes The Initiative. Likes received: 953	#31 - 2013-08-11 01:57:07 UTC Meh.. why couldn't they go and interdict gallente ice again.. I'm sitting on 15M units of the stuff. Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?


Dave Stark Likes received: 7,950	#32 - 2013-08-11 07:19:25 UTC Xearal wrote: Meh.. why couldn't they go and interdict gallente ice again.. I'm sitting on 15M units of the stuff. i think that's sufficiently covered by the fact that they live in caldari space, and most of the ice on the market in jita is also caldari ice. oh, and they don't care how much gallente ice you have :D

League of Gentlemen The Initiative. 300
Iosue League of Gentlemen The Initiative. Likes received: 300	#33 - 2013-08-12 15:56:12 UTC and the plot thickens: Goons to Officially Rent Space. this ice interdiction is looking more like a marketing ploy. caldari ice system coming up for rent, any takers??

Doomheim 2,225
Felicity Love Doomheim Likes received: 2,225	#34 - 2013-08-12 23:31:59 UTC ... loves the bit about being "forced to become serf-lords"... credit where credit is due, they might even get 60 days of "service" out of their serfs in the summer war season. "EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse. ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. )