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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-08-09 12:26:00 UTC
One thing I love about you is that you truly believe you have had some great life experience that tells you that you that 'bad' actions in game, means bad results in real life for that person Lol

I disagree
Pierrot le fou
Amarrian Inquist Order
#22 - 2013-08-09 12:26:16 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
you just feel better for some time because you soon realize you suck getting kills differently


So he sucks for not killing cyno ships?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-08-09 12:26:20 UTC
Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?

Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2013-08-09 12:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Leafar Nightfall wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

nobody needs to use the option if they don't want to, if I'm commander I want to use it, because i want to fly with different people and try stuff, stupid doches shooting fleetmembers just hold back the gameplay, those need to be stopable by a mechanic

fleeting up is for teaming up, not for shooting ourselves, the mechanic should work like this

the people who want to fight can do that without fleeting up as well

the game is favouring idiotic gameplay too much, in my opinion


The game is know for its free environment. If people want to lie to get fleeted and them shoot the fleet members out, they are allowed to. Changing this is changing the game essence. If you have the option to turn that off, this affects other people gameplay directly, since they won't be allowed to do this anymore. You don't invite people to your house if you don't know them, so you shouldn't fleet with people you don't trust enough to do so.

That's not idiotic gameplay, this is sandbox, free gameplay, the same mechanic that allows us to choose a corp at random, go to their home and shoot down their stuff without consequence


I know you want random fleet ups and fair PvP, so why don't you try FW? FW is "Team Deathmatch", null is "Free for all"


trust me its needed, to assure new players can fleetup and try stuff, at the moment they are just cannon fodder to those older players who want to get an easy kill by fleeting up with newbs... you need to protect those, to assure they can get into the game faster and without frustration

this game is hold up by mechanics favouring douchebags, nothing more... I mean i dont mind i just go on you know, but it holds back a lot of other players...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-08-09 12:29:17 UTC  |  Edited by: SKINE DMZ
Harry Forever wrote:




its not a corp think, it would make it easier for solo and new players to randomly fleetup

It's not about making it easier to fleet up for random players, it is about the feeling that you don't know whats going to happen if you fleet up with a random player, he may kill you.. you may kill him.. or you may become partners in crime, it creates a more dynamic game than the ones with the implementations you wish eve had where you know the outcome of every situation.

This is also what made a lot of us subscribe, so it is great for new players who are looking to get into such a game, the rest (like you).. well they simply won't last very long and get grumpy and moany and frankly myself and hopefully CCP don't really care.

I disagree
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-08-09 12:34:33 UTC
Pierrot le fou wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
you just feel better for some time because you soon realize you suck getting kills differently


So he sucks for not killing cyno ships?


oh man, blocked, I'm shooting industrials since a long time, wake up

those comments bore me to death

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-08-09 12:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?

Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.


--SNIPPED-- ISD Cura Ursus

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Pierrot le fou
Amarrian Inquist Order
#28 - 2013-08-09 12:35:49 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Pierrot le fou wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
you just feel better for some time because you soon realize you suck getting kills differently


So he sucks for not killing cyno ships?


oh man, blocked, I'm shooting industrials since a long time, wake up

those comments bore me to death


Classic Harry. Big smile
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2013-08-09 12:37:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
Harry Forever wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?

Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.


--SNIPPED-- ISD Cura Ursus


Except that they are doing it right. You, with your false expectations (that you would rather enforce than change), are the one who is doing it wrong.

--SNIPPED-- ISD Cura Ursus The only point you are immune to other people is when you're docked. And it will stay that way.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-08-09 12:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Harry Forever wrote:
trust me its needed, to assure i can fleetup and try stuff, at the moment they i am just cannon fodder to those older players who want to get an easy kill by fleeting up withme... you need to protect me, to assurei can get into the game faster and without frustration

this game is hold up by mechanics favouring winners, nothing more... I mean i dont mind i just go on you know, but it holds back a lot of other players...
(this last part "i don't mind" ,btw, is a lie)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-08-09 12:42:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
Harry Forever wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?

Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.


--SNIPPED-- ISD Cura Ursus


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA.....

Just wait... a minute... lemme catch... my breath....


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Reported.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-08-09 12:42:32 UTC
its just a mechanic to safe the smart from the stupid, its like the forum block button, as simple as that... it can not be in the interest of CCP to just attract silly gamers, let them decide on their own...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2013-08-09 12:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?

Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.


--SNIPPED-- ISD Cura Ursus


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA.....

Just wait... a minute... lemme catch... my breath....


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Reported.


blocked

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-08-09 12:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
Harry Forever wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Awwww..... did somebody get awox'd? Did somebody make the mistake of trusting randoms they didn't know?

Sorry, this isn't WoW, this isn't TOR, and Friendly Fire Mode is set to ON 24/7. It's not up to the mechanics to prevent your own failure to understand the simple concept that you are a target for everyone in this game, whether you like it or not. It is up to YOU, however, to mitigate the risks you CHOOSE to take for yourself if you don't want to get blown up. CCP aren't in the business of handholding.


--SNIPPED-- ISD Cura Ursus

Wow, best one!!

WE don't know so it needs to change,
(although HE is doing it wrong)
the way HE believes it's right because
THEN we'd all be doing it right,
although WE did it right all along.

This guy has issues...
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-08-09 12:46:56 UTC
I don't think they classify it as 'silly' Harry, they strongly stand behind these kind of mechanics where they allow anyone to shoot anyone, just like the forum block button you can do this in-game too to the person who attacked you inside your fleet, that's as far as it will go. Stop trying to turn this into the game you want it to be, this game has been running for many years and has a strong community who want these kind of mechanics.

I disagree
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-08-09 12:49:23 UTC
What is it about going into a game where the cornerstone is betrayal and deception and believing that you can trust random people in positions where they could betray you that makes you smart, in your opinion?

And what is it about taking advantage of that trust in a game that strongly features the ability to take advantage of trust that makes a person stupid in your opinion?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-08-09 12:50:09 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
its just a mechanic to safe the smart from the stupid, its like the forum block button, as simple as that... it can not be in the interest of CCP to just attract silly gamers, let them decide on their own...


No, you've got it all wrong mate. The whole game is about letting the players decide on their own. Whether or not to take the risk of fleeting up, or any risk for that matter, is a decision that YOU have to make. It takes far less thought if someone makes that decision for you, so don't go pretending like you're a bright spark because you want someone else to make the hard choices for you.

And I think you'll find that most of the players don't want CCP making those kinds of decisions for us. You accused me of doing fleets wrong in an above post, which I reported for the extremely offensive way in which you addressed me. But I also found it incredibly amusing, since I have never been attacked by the people I've fleeted with, and yet you have. Seems to me one of us is confused about the distinction between doing it wrong and doing it right, and it's certainly not me.

The irony in asserting that I'm the one doing it wrong when you're the one getting awox'd is so incredibly funny I almost didn't report you, I just wanted to see more tears. But you need to learn a lesson that there is no place for that kind of abuse. The language I don't have a problem with, but if you're just going to be abusive then there's no point to the discussion in the first place.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Pierrot le fou
Amarrian Inquist Order
#38 - 2013-08-09 12:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
[quote=Harry Forever] --SNIPPED-- ISD Cura Ursus/quote]

Then what is the right way? Are you saying people who fleet up shouldn't be able to shoot each other? Are you saying that random people, should meet up randomly, to go out randomly, and randomly shoot at things in arbitrarily chosen places? It lacks total direction. You'll have your highsec peasants wondering where to go, what to do, what to fit. All you say is "Go to VFK, make personal epic stories of heroic tales" but you don't give them any direction, any help, any inspiration. There is no purpose behind the words, no substance, it's all empty.

Your phrases are like a politicians. It reminds me of a plaque I saw for a political party advertising their party as "simply human". Well, of course you are human, was I supposed to vote for the insectoid party? You claim to be King of Highsec, but even a king has legitimacy, through power. Not birth right, not self-proclamation, or the will of god, but power. Sheer power. You have it neither in your actions, nor your words. Misdirected, solitary, and without any clear path.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2013-08-09 12:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
Psychotic Monk wrote:
What is it about going into a game where the cornerstone is betrayal and deception and believing that you can trust random people in positions where they could betray you that makes you smart, in your opinion?

And what is it about taking advantage of that trust in a game that strongly features the ability to take advantage of trust that makes a person stupid in your opinion?


*snip*

Edit by ISD Dosnix:
Fixed bad Content, Personal Attacks are not allowed!

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-08-09 12:56:22 UTC
I like harry , i +1 all his comments

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