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My research project for work, into SOMER Blink - Loved every minute.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#21 - 2013-08-09 04:58:01 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:
Never send ISK to anyone, us included, in eve unless you trust them. Not even a little. Not even just to try it out. Not even once.


Not even the tip?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#22 - 2013-08-09 05:04:12 UTC
You totally broke the EULA by doing so also. But you knew that already.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#23 - 2013-08-09 05:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Um, you thought a lottery site was fair? I see.

P.S. I searched in vain for an agriculturally-themed typo in the OP to get things rolling. Disappointing but probably just as well...

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
MrsCthulhu
Interstellar Dad's Army
#24 - 2013-08-09 05:27:58 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:
"This is being put into my monthly research project we have to do, we get an allowance for our research. What i spent was a very small amount of what we get. "

Where can I apply for the position of Guy Who Makes Forum Posts about Fan Webpages for Internet Spaceship Videogames please? This job intrigues me.


"why would players, put so much time into a lottery system, on a MMO, to "help the player base""

This seems to be the root of your confusion. We do lots of community sponsorship events, sure - RVB, EACS, Eve Uni, Agony U, and lots of other stuff have all received donations. But we still make ISK. That's what we're doing. Running a profitable business. If you believed we were doing this out of charity and kindness and never turning any profit, I can happily disabuse you of that without any 'research' needed.

Before Blink, I built things, hauled things, did market stuff, and chattered in channels. Because it made ISK and was fun to me.

Now I build things, haul things, do market stuff, and chatter in channels on a MUCH BIGGER SCALE.

Because that's a fun way to play Eve for me, and it's been a successful way the past 2 and a half years.

"Anyway, i will be publishing my full report once i have permission from my work. It's about 30 pages long."

Could you please post this on the Department of Finding Patterns in Things official webpage - I really, really, really want to submit my CV so I, too, can make forum posts about my in-depth research of talking to some people in a video game.

"My advice to any Eve player, is to not play this lottery."

Let me expand this advice for you. Never send ISK to anyone, us included, in eve unless you trust them. Not even a little. Not even just to try it out. Not even once. If you distrust our business, we're okay with that. We have over 76,000 people playing Blink. We're not trying to force to play who isn't happy to do so.

"I am a married man with children."

Um. Congrats, I guess?

"which now numbers in the trillions."

CCP released a tweet of the two largest wallets. One was 5 trillion, one was 1 trillion. Both were alliances. While they didn't say who which were, a quick glance at the sov map clarifies that bit of research for you fairly easily :p

PS - Always Blink on #4. We rigged #4 to always win.


LOLOLOL <3, As an avid somer blink player, i can confirm that any casino game that has a house edge, eventually grinds down a customer to zero money. However, blink doesn't even need a house edge. Blinks are set up in a lottery system, where you don't play against the house, ever time a customer buys a ticket, they are paying a fee to the house of 20% at blink. It doesn't matter if ticket 1 or 2 or 16 wins to them because the value of all of the tickets bought exceeds the amount of money payed out to the winner. IE.. 10 players buy a ticket each, each payed 10 million isk, the pot sits then at 100 million isk, the winner gets 80 million isk. The house doesn't care who wins because they get the full 100 million from the players and then give out 80 of it, making 20 in profit. Sure, they could rig it(they dont) and pay out win to "shill" accounts, but as andrev has said, its not worth the risk to their profitable business model. Why risk making a guaranteed 20% every time.

Also I too would like a word with your company so i can put in an application. Apparently they accept applicants with no concept of statistics.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-08-09 06:27:05 UTC
omg every ******* lottery on this planet works with the similar systeme. Of course they gain more than they give out...

If you had to spend so much isk to see that pattern then you must be very good at what you do.

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-09 06:55:27 UTC
Cipio Alduin wrote:
When you play BLINK, you deposit a certain amount of ISK, it's very easy to forget exactly how much you deposit when you begin to loose and win with equal measure. But, if you win, say 2.7 billion ISK, you transfer that to your account. You then keep playing, run out of money and deposit more money. Eventually, you will loose the exact or CLOSE to what you have won in ISK, BLINK Makes sure of this.


are you saying that if i deposit my winning in the account and keep playing, eventually i will lose both the investment and the winnings, this is truly shocking news... guess somerblink is not a magic isk printing machine :(

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-08-09 06:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyonsiaros StrawHat
After a review of the forums rules in relation to third party practices, I have chosen to remove this content. Sorry :(
Discussion of such things is Barred.
Pierrot le fou
Amarrian Inquist Order
#28 - 2013-08-09 07:02:46 UTC
I stopped sinking my money into Somer when I won a succubus. My goal was reached. I could die happy.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2013-08-09 07:06:16 UTC
Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote:
lol what? How would shill bidders ruin a good thing, it's worked thus far, it is the good thing.



Shill bidders put the casino in the position of gambling with their profits. Each play a shill makes is revenue the casino is no longer going to receive, and if someone else wins, that's the casino losing money.

If the casino rigs the games to favor the shill enough to make up for that lost revenue, they'll easily be detected.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Irene Irie
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-08-09 07:42:12 UTC
Confirming this and also that they don't like being scammed themselves.

Ka-ching.
Azurae
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-08-09 08:06:47 UTC
Cipio Alduin wrote:
Now. over the course of three months. I deposited over 90 billion ISK and i won 27 billion ISK in lotteries. Which, as part of my research, i put back into BLINK. I subsequently lost 25.4 billion ISK. Which was just shy of what i had made in profit.


I'm fascinated that noone even talked about his math skills yet.

Just a hint if you put in 90 billion isk, won 27 billion isk you already lost 63 billion isk. and there was no profit at all. if you lost more of those 27 billion you lost even more money.

if you mean you put in 90 billion isk and you won 117 billion, which resulted in a profit of 27 billion, of which 1.6 billion remained after you gambled with those 27 billion again, then why did you even create this thread? because that would mean you made a profit which there shouldn't be. (tbh i doubt this is what you ment so lets just stick to you being bad at math)

And yeah buying plex worth about 3k dollars to waste it on a lottery where everyone knows that when you play a lot you can statistically only lose? you really aren't the brightest, are you?
Azurae
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-08-09 08:10:03 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote:
lol what? How would shill bidders ruin a good thing, it's worked thus far, it is the good thing.



Shill bidders put the casino in the position of gambling with their profits. Each play a shill makes is revenue the casino is no longer going to receive, and if someone else wins, that's the casino losing money.

If the casino rigs the games to favor the shill enough to make up for that lost revenue, they'll easily be detected.

i doubt they would be easily detected because it would be easy to disguise, make them win on high value blinks and make them lose on low value blinks. noone could be sure that the blinks were rigged.

anyway i don't know if its rigged or not and tbh i don't care because as with any gambling in the end the gamblers lose and the house wins.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-08-09 08:18:19 UTC
Fal Dara wrote:
It wouldnt even HAVE to be a scam to make obscene isk.

every blink is profit. It need not even go beyond that, for them to pocket billions a day.

You present little to no actual evidence to back up your idea that this is a scam.

So some one deposits 10b. So what? Maybe it's some guy in southern itally that makes millions a year--and he dropped 300$ on plex that day--which was significantly less than he just spent on the bottle of wine he drank while playing the game.

you might say some one wins 90% of the blinks they play--you didnt say that they also didnt play 90% of the tickets in a blink. Many do, on cap ships (just shy of the ship cost itself).

What if gambling on websites for rl cash is illegal in their country/state, and this is their only outlet? Sure, winning may not get them RL fame and fortune, but EVE fortunes can feel quite important nonetheless.

It doesnt have to be a scam at all, to make more isk than most alliances make alltogether.

if it was a scam on TOP of that--well, some one would come up with some hard evidence.


All real life betting & gamblings things are scams too , and yet still ppl believe tey are not , that makes me laugh always

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
flakeys
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-08-09 08:32:03 UTC
Cipio Alduin wrote:
This SOMER Blink fascinated me, why would players, put so much time into a lottery system, on a MMO, to "help the player base" - I'm sorry, but that does not swing any which way. They do it, because, they can pocket MASSIVE amounts of ISK from players, whilst still, shall we say, working within the law of EvE.



No **** sherlock ....



i came to the conclusions you made the day it was launched without doing a 3 month survey and putting RL cash on the line for it.


You can't have been that naive as to think otherwise it is a GAMBLING site.Do you think the vegas casino's are not in it for the cash?Do you think it's being played 'fair' in those casino's ?


Come on , seriously ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-08-09 08:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyonsiaros StrawHat
After a review of the forums rules in relation to third party practices, I have chosen to remove this content. Sorry :(
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#36 - 2013-08-09 08:43:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sirinda
Somer Blink is as much a scam as any lottery or casino/gambling house.

You're playing against the odds - 7:1 odds at the least unfavorable. This means the probability to win a certain blink can be easily calculated, in turn allowing you to see your average returns from playing it over and over again. Surprise, it's less than what you put in. How much less, well, that's what the OP calculated in his empirical study.

@flakeys: You have no idea how science works, do you?
flakeys
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-08-09 08:45:12 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:
Never send ISK to anyone, us included, in eve unless you trust them. Not even a little. Not even just to try it out. Not even once.



Come on we all like to take a gamble at times and BLINK is not the only gamble we get to take in eve Blink .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-08-09 08:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyonsiaros StrawHat
After a review of the forums rules in relation to third party practices, I have chosen to remove this content. Sorry :(
flakeys
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-08-09 09:18:03 UTC
Might want to take a decaf next time mate ...


just saying

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-08-09 09:32:44 UTC
If have read all the somerblink fraud evidence threads, and i have found a pattern.

The person starting the thread has, prior to starting the thread, lost enough isk to be considered a ****** be the general eve population.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.