Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi,

when you jump with capitals you immediately appear on cyno side. Cyno usually remains vulnerable until cyno timer expires.

I would like to discuss tactics changes to something like:

- you open cyno, which lasts less than 10 minutes (or skill related)
- you jump your capital and "travel" for paths. i.e. 10 seconds per ly, may it be influenced by some skill or not

That way, you can get your cyno killed while traveling, leaving you to an undefined spot, say unreachable by common space. (recall Frontier jump drive failures)

This could be represented by a midpoint the path line from source system to destination system to star map, exactly like if you were travelling that line.

From there you could escape only by asking for a new cyno, close enough to jump to...
This could force you to better jump tactics and call for corp mates for rescue-cynos

Or you may die inside. How?

In that space, you should get chances to have engagements from unknown alien races (or e.g. sleepers or jovians finally? )
Enemies could be really challenging and hard to kill, much more than Wspace sleepers. Those aliens may have special scanners to track you down in such unknown areas, and encounters may not happens immediately.
Imgine you are in fear for this option, trying to get a rescue cyno, imagine you are just escaping a few moments after something really bad and angry appears around you (e.g. no overview or disrupted?)

This may also open to new opportunities: e.g. capital fleets hunting such engagements, with nice or really rare rewards (or not if you don't want to get stuck for hours in space waiting).

Also jump mechanics could get benefits: you are cap fleet jumping to hostile system, and see outnumbers showing up. A good cyno kill could leave you in a "safe area", hoping for fleet rescue somewhere else quickly.

Also capitals roles may change that way as they are pratically used for 0.0 space offense/defence only. Capital pilots could accept the challenge and see good rewards for the risk and the efforts they carry on.

Well, maybe it's just a bad idea (or already discussed), but I think it can be improved to add realism to capital roles and jumping mechanics.

Engineer Squiffy

I think Panthers, Nidhoggurs, Naglfars, Hels and Ragnaroks should all just plain have a chance to disintegrate during a jump.

Perhaps spraying shrapnel (Rifters hulls) All over space

Gonna need more duct tape

low sec "pirates" need more reasons to pop cyno rookie ships?

- why an insane amount of calculation? it's just a 3d vector math... and cyno it's already a beacon.

- yes, it's exactly what I mean, so you have your expansive ship ready to die if you can't get rescue quickly. It could thrill the use of caps

- well, you're right, in fact latest patch gate's scene switch isn't a wormhole with a tech regression? Not to mention the times you sit stucked when jumping to battlefields with insane numbers (>500 players) in system. Did'nt they added time dilation to compensate server loads? ;-)

Anyway, thank you for your reply, I hope to see discussion to grow up

Why don't keep your cap in space? e.g. very high aggro timer.

This could lead to chances to encounter, or not, if you're lucky or have rescue

Hi,

what you mean with reversing the warp?

Regardless the flame and the hate will this throws against me (I also own a cap): I think expansive ships should be moveable with proper ships, not rookie-frigate class ones.

hi,

I wasn't meaning that to be an easy farming area. I was meaning a place where your cap can be insta popped by something really big and really harmfull. A place where you should stay stucked for hours before encounters to happens (or may not even happens the whole day). This is not an anomaly or explo site.

- its not that simple as 3rd vector math......u can calculate distance using that but u have other variables to consider. In universe nothing is static everything moves so the ships computer needs to calculate the destination point considering solar system drift, movement of objects in the solar system, gravity from the sun and planets and from passing objects within solar system or nearby the destination and probably more.
- don`t get me wrong i`m all up for having a margin of error but i think it should be more like a jump drive deviation then just a random chance, example:
- u can have the jump drive have a lets say 1 au jump deviation....if the cyno is killed in the middle of the jump your ship will still jump but will land anywhere in a 1 au radius of where the cyno field was on. Here u can add a chance that the ship will end up colliding with the objects that are in range, like jumping nearby a station the ship will jump perfectly if cyno is active but if it gets blown up then u will have a chance to collide with objects that are in range of the cyno, like the station or asteroid belts or moons or the planet or the sun if its in range. But the damage should also be variable damage depending on what your ship ends up colliding into, like fail jumping into an asteroid belt will end up damaging your ship and the possibility to be in the middle of the asteroids making warping out a pain, or colliding with the station that will inflict more damage to the possibility of colliding with the atmosphere of a planet or the corona of the sun that will most likely destroy the ship in question.
- final point is if ccp will ever add such mechanics they will also have to add skills like jump drive deviation or whatever that will improve jump deviation by reducing the range deviation when the ship jumps and possibly some other skill to reduce the chance that your ship will end up colliding with something, maybe some new mods for the same purpose or even new ships that will trade offensive or defensive capabilities for longer more precise jumps.Hell u can even add the the longer you jump the greater the deviation and the shorter the jump the smaller the deviation.
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except capital jump drives use a wormhole to 'jump', making the journey instantaneous
you should know how jump drives work and the lore behind them before making changes



they have to calculate how to generate the wormhole precisely or else it would spaghettify the ship and local space around it
think what would happen if it let you put cans inside of cans

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